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#61 Jerrymxz

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:25 PM

As a long time Cochran diver I have my own reasons for the apparent falling out of favor. The bad press they got some years ago still haunts them for one.  The fact you can’t edit your gas selection once your dive starts is another reason. It is a plan your dive…dive your plan computer.  You set your gases you will use before you dive. You set your change depth and time before hand. Several factors go into choosing your setup. But it must be laid out ahead of time.

 

If you only dive one gas it is the best computer on the market in my opinion. Once you set the mix it stays set. It never reverts to a “preset mix” and it will never lock you out. It holds a crazy amount of data that if you download and go through will tell you how good you really are and where you could use some work. 

 

Doing a multi gas dive you must know at what depth you want to switch to your second gas and how long into the dive when you ascend thru that depth you want to switch to that gas. Sounds odd but in practice it’s rather ingenious.

 

 Let’s say you are planning a 150fsw dive with a combined decent and bottom time of 15 minutes.   Your back gas is air (21%O2) and you have 80% in your sling bottle that you plan on switching to at 30fsw. Now we have a standard decent and as soon as we reach 130 feet we realize we have a dry suit leak and want to abort the dive. If I were to abort this dive I would not want to go to my deco gas on my way back to the boat.  Are you tracking so far?  OK what would we do if our leak happened at 10 minutes into the dive at 150fsw?  I would need to do a couple short deco stops before I could safely exit the water. So to shorten that deco time as much as possible I would want to use my deco gas.

 

You need to put some thought into the when do you want to go to your deco gas on ascent when passing thru your switch depth and when you don’t. For me it’s all about deco. If I have deco to do I want to switch.  If I don’t have deco to do I’ll save the gas for another dive.

 

I use V-Planner to plan deco dives and use it to quickly get an idea of about when to do the switch.  I round it down to be safe. If I’m close to deco and it switches over I’ll do the switch anyway. 

 

All this planning is done before you get wet all you need to do is remember to change regulators at the right depth.

 

I have a Shearwater and my Cochran that both play well together and always go with me on deco dives (and most every other dive). A week in Bonaire doing my extended range class and both weeks in Chuuk diving AWESOME wrecks, they were never more than a minute or two minutes diffrerance to clear deco. I had to play with the conservative setting some but if I do my part in setting each one to the dive I’m planning neither has ever let me down.

 

Clear as mud…right?


Edited by Jerrymxz, 04 April 2015 - 02:40 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:30 PM

You hit the nail on the head. if things like the best algorithm in the industry sampling more body tissues than anyone else is important then you'd naturally dive a cochran. If knowing that the man who invented the integrated circuit for TI is the creator of the Cochran computer is important or that its the only computer still made in the US is valuable then Cochran is the hands down choice. But it you want colors such as 'pink' or flashy display screens that require you charge your computer between dives or daily...then others win out.  Also Cochran just lost an iconic company person last summer so have been focused on dealing with that loss. Larry Elsevier who was the VP of Sales and Marketing died unexpectedly and hit the industry hard.

 

We have a tremendous partnership with Cochran and have their computers on all our dive trips for members to user free of charge. You can also get a great deal on them if you buy them thru our partnership. Just email me for details.  



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:40 PM

Oh yes.... the US Navy and ALL the diving military units in the world have standardized on Cochran. It is nearly indestructible, can easily be used in a chamber and has BIG numbers so easy to read.

 

But unless you download your dives where you can see the real time calculations on a second by second basis, you won't fully appreciate the intelligence of this computer.

 

Did I mention the battery lasts approx 1100 hrs and is user changeable?  It has a red or yellow backlight and comes in a variety of colors? (Sorry no pink)



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Posted 03 April 2015 - 09:54 PM

I have been looking at their computers and just need to talk to more people about them first and what kind of deal people on SD can recieve.

On a side note not all diving units have standardized on Cochran as John Corso said they are still working on Canada. Not sure if we even use computers yet lol. As of 2003 we did not. :/

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 07:54 PM

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 07:57 AM

Thank you Mishtar!  AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!! I have been corresponding with you via email/PM and failed to make as some the military connection. Please forgive.

 

The company has some great deals for our members and active duty military. I did not factor in the latter for you. They are not cheap to begin with but they are arguably the last computer you will buy so from that perspective you get what you pay for. Did I mention they are MADE, SERVICED AND SUPPORTED in the US?

 

If you seriously leaning in this direction (vs the $300 range computers flooding the market) let me know and I'll get every deal I can for you and get them to sharpen the pencil as much as they can. But keep in mind when the starting point is $1250 you'll never get to the $300 mark or even close for this quality. And many won't get it nor care but for the serious few who do... it will be the best diving purchase you make.

 

Too bad Timex already trademarked "it takes a licking and keeps on ticking". ;)



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Posted 25 April 2015 - 10:18 PM

How can I get a Cochran computer for my Cozumel trip by May 9, 2015? Send me an email please! ***Will use registered email address***

 

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 07:09 AM

How can I get a Cochran computer for my Cozumel trip by May 9, 2015? Send me an email please! ***Will use registered email address***

 

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Cindy that is a pretty tight timeframe so I will expedite this request to The Wench for you, unfortunately she is is playing Airport hopscotch on the way back from Grenada but should see this later today.

 

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Posted 27 April 2015 - 04:43 AM

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 09:48 PM

I took a look at Cochran's website, and I don't understand how you switch nitrox percentages when using this computer. Is it a touch screen, or are there hidden buttons? Please tell me it doesn't use the old water contacts like the ancient Dacor MicroBrain, or the old Uwatecs. Also, do you have to select the units (metric or imperial) when you buy the computer? Can it be switched during a dive trip?

 

I take it air-intergrated computers aren't in favour these days. Shame, I love mine, although I do dive with an analog pressure gauge as a backup.



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Posted 03 July 2015 - 05:01 AM

The Cochran does use contacts. You need a nickel or something handy. That is a hassle but it eliminates a point of failure and possible flooding.

Most people interested in cochrans are tech divers and they generally avoid air integrated. They are still popular for recreational diving.
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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:38 AM

I can sure understand some hesitation about air integration. The idea is great, but the application, even after over 15 years, still isn't ideal. I have an Oceanic air-integrated unit in the box, waiting for my first trip. Did a little research, and found out which algorithm is recommended for areas like Truk. Last thing I need is to wind up with 20 mins of deco when everybody else is doing 3! I owed an antique Suunto Vytec, and about 20% of the time the transmitter would lose sync with the wrist unit. Damned annoying.

 

The Cochran does look pretty basic, no frills (that can go wrong or break!). Can you switch units during a trip, or do you have to buy either metric or imperial?



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Posted 07 July 2015 - 09:02 AM

The last time I looked on the web site you can download the manual for free. It will explain everything about how to set it and dive it.

 

The algorithm can be modified for added conservatism as the one installed at 0 conservatism is very liberal. They don't pad the numbers. It will tell you the theoretical no deco time or stop time period. It is too liberal for my old fat butt. it was developed with navy divers and they have a higher tolerance for a decompression hit than I do. If they take a hit it's right into the chamber for them.

 

Most people I know run 25 to 50% conservatism which is close to most other moderately liberal programs. V-planner plays close to my Cochran with (don't quote me on this) 25% added.

 

It is a great solid piece of gear and I wouldn't want to dive without it. 


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 07:23 PM

I can sure understand some hesitation about air integration. The idea is great, but the application, even after over 15 years, still isn't ideal. I have an Oceanic air-integrated unit in the box, waiting for my first trip. Did a little research, and found out which algorithm is recommended for areas like Truk. Last thing I need is to wind up with 20 mins of deco when everybody else is doing 3! I owed an antique Suunto Vytec, and about 20% of the time the transmitter would lose sync with the wrist unit. Damned annoying.

 

The Cochran does look pretty basic, no frills (that can go wrong or break!). Can you switch units during a trip, or do you have to buy either metric or imperial?

 

As far as using it along with an air integrated computer, I have both a Cochran and an integrated Oceanic Atom 2.0 that I dive together. I have the Cochran set more conservative, so I never get into the situation you describe. My Oceanic will handle 3 O2 mixes, but not Trimix like the Cochran does. But the Oceanic you need to manually switch gasses underwater. So for most dives, they work well together. If the Oceanic doesn't support the deco dive, I can always shift it into gauge mode, so you can still take advantage of the air integration.

 

Of course, its only integrated with the tanks that have transmitters. So unless you have a transmitter on every tank you are diving, there are limits to that also. Generally I use it on my back gas and just trust the gauges on the deco gasses.

 

As said, the Cochran is about as tough a computer as you can own and you can't lock it out. Solid computer..



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Posted 19 July 2015 - 05:57 PM

I just picked up a Cochran EMC-16 after retiring a Cochran Commander that I had for many years.  

 

Prior to that, I had a Cochran Air Integrated which I replaced with the Commander.

 

Needless to say, I have been using Cochran for almost 20 years.  Good Value, Easy To Use and support has been just a phone call away in Dallas. 






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