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[Diverbrian]

Well, Walter, if you want to bother with all the foreplay & slowly taking your time to really get to know the lay of the land, more power to you. I will pretty much punch through the first hole that comes into view! 

Trace

And you're single because . . .

[TraceMalin]

Well, Walter, if you want to bother with all the foreplay & slowly taking your time to really get to know the lay of the land, more power to you. I will pretty much punch through the first hole that comes into view! 

Trace

And you're single because . . .

...because I'm still waiting for you to get certified before I really truly care.

Trace

[annasea]

Well, Walter, if you want to bother with all the foreplay & slowly taking your time to really get to know the lay of the land, more power to you. I will pretty much punch through the first hole that comes into view! 

Trace

And you're single because . . .

...because I'm still waiting for you to get certified before I really truly care.

Trace

LOL!!! Aww, Trace ...

No worries re: my certification...I'll be in good, non-PADI () hands in order to complete my certification. I'm sure you'll be suitably impressed.

[TraceMalin]

LOL!!! Aww, Trace ...

No worries re: my certification...I'll be in good, non-PADI () hands in order to complete my certification. I'm sure you'll be suitably impressed.

I'd probably be more impressed if you were in my hands.

(Someone needs to put this thread back on topic VERY soon. Anymore "lines" and we might create an entanglement hazard.)



Trace

[annasea]

LOL!!! Aww, Trace ...

No worries re: my certification...I'll be in good, non-PADI () hands in order to complete my certification. I'm sure you'll be suitably impressed.

I'd probably be more impressed if you were in my hands.

(Someone needs to put this thread back on topic VERY soon. Anymore "lines" and we might create an entanglement hazard.)



Trace

Hmmm...

I think I may have the solution for you and your "lines" ...

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[lilreddivinghood]

I like to penetrate wrecks,however I it is dependant on the depth and the size of entry holes as well as the size of the vessel.Is it a "clean"wreck (artificial reef)or a natural wreck?Is there ambient light or total darkness?I use a wreck reel for most penetrations but have yet to get formal training for penetration.I usually don't go in very far past where i can view the entry.It's very helpful to research the wreck first and know where the blast holes,hatches,cargo doors,stairways etc. are.I will be cavern/cave certified this winter and then i will take the deep wreck penetration course.Lastly I never put myself in an overhead environment without a redundant air source and a fairly high comfort leval at that time,with that particular wreck.

[VADiver]

Brian, let me know when your game for a trip to NC again. I want to hit the U boat and amke it into the engine room this time. Hopefully we can find a group willing to do multiple dives on her so we can get inside and look around. I have some plans of the Type VII also if you want them.

Oh, and for the topic...I usually do an exterior survey first then penetrate.

[TraceMalin]

Brian, let me know when your game for a trip to NC again. I want to hit the U boat and amke it into the engine room this time. Hopefully we can find a group willing to do multiple dives on her so we can get inside and look around. I have some plans of the Type VII also if you want them.

Oh, and for the topic...I usually do an exterior survey first then penetrate.

Engine rooms... tight spaces... long bottom times... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

Trace

[maninthesea]

Some may think I'm crazy but I have no issures about penitrating on the first dive. I usually like to decend to the wreck, make the penitration with or without line depending on many factors such visability, siltieness of the wreck, complexity of the penitration, orentation of the wreck, depth(available bottom time), whether I am going to dig or not and much more. I prefer not to enter and exit the same hole if possible. If I can get info on the wreck priot to the dive that helps a lot. I like to be out of the wreck with plenty of bottom time to spare. I then use the rest of the bottom time to swim the wreck on the outside.

Bottom line is do what you are comfortable with and dont excede your capablities

Cheers

[VADiver]

Engine rooms... tight spaces... long bottom times... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

Trace

Yep! We need to plan a trip and do multiple dives on the 352. This time when the weather cooperates.

[peterbj7]

What do you all use for guidelines inside wrecks? After some incidents when fabric lines were cut on sharp edges, our norm in England is to use steel wire.

[VADiver]

I usually use braided nylon (#24) on a spool for minor penetrations. I'd run a reel for longer ones. It seems to me like the steel wire would be a little unwieldly to use; plus a greater entaglement hazard. But then again, the wrecks I've been in didn't go too far back and I was able to to off away from sharp edges.

[TraceMalin]

Engine rooms... tight spaces... long bottom times... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

Trace

Yep! We need to plan a trip and do multiple dives on the 352. This time when the weather cooperates.

I'm thinking that it's time to get rid of the bottles and go to the RB80 and more GUE training. Just lie for me and swear that I drink the Kool Aid.

Trace

[TraceMalin]

What do you all use for guidelines inside wrecks? After some incidents when fabric lines were cut on sharp edges, our norm in England is to use steel wire.

I would prefer #24 nylon line as well. It's a good diameter line, neutrally buoyant and strong. When one uses spools and reels in wrecks, the sharp edges the line contacts during dives can wear out line faster than when used in caves. So, it becomes more important to spool out line before and after dives to check for areas that need to be repaired and to replace the line as it ages. Wreck divers tend to run line a bit too taut and make too many wraps or tie-offs rather than use careful placements and allow just a tiny bit of slack (no flow in a wreck usually) and to make wraps so that the line crosses itself and doesn't put the fulcrim stress of the line against the metal. The greatest hazard to a diver is his/her own line and metallic line would increase the problems associated with running line. If a diver is truly worried about being lost due to breakage or cutting, then a combination of running line and progressive penetration can be used to learn a wreck slowly and have a chance of feeling the way out if a line is cut in a silt-out or figuring out which turns to take when vis exists. Some divers place strobes along the way. Doing so saved my friend Paul's when his line was cut in a deep wreck. Having been caught on my own line enough to know how often that happens, I'd rather use the #24 nylon than any metal.

Trace

[Diverbrian]

Engine rooms... tight spaces... long bottom times... are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

Trace

Yep! We need to plan a trip and do multiple dives on the 352. This time when the weather cooperates.

Sounds good to me!