The second o-ring to most often fail on a DIN regulator
#1
Posted 22 March 2006 - 09:46 PM
So what have I learned lately? What the heck those littler o-rings are for. No, not the litter ones you use for the your low pressure and high pressure hoses, they are a little bigger than those, but not much bigger than the one for the high pressure hose - or heck they may be the same size! All I know is when replacing a failed o-ring, use the bad one to find the right sized good one in your kit!
So lately, I've noticed that when dealing with DIN regulators besides the obvious o-ring you see externally needing to be replaced or just put BACK INTO PLACE (check your o-rings people ), I've noticed failures with the closest hidden internal o-ring. You can get there by either placing a large allen wrench directly into the DIN first stage (the face of your DIN) and unscrewing the first piece of your DIN reg - you'll see the o-ring on the piece you unscrewed from your regulator or you can get to it by simply unscrewing it by hand sometimes when the o-ring has failed. Perhaps the failures are caused it's because that piece of the reg that can move quite a bit when divers turn screw the DIN into place?
Not because where the o-ring is located, OK yes because I can't describe where it is located (hey be happy I didn't use words like turn that thingy and unscrew the doo-bob), looking at the image below you would unscrew the the black piece in the lower left hand corner of the regulator right at the end of the screw threads. What comes out also has threads (obviously) and underneath what you've pulled out has an o-ring. It would remind you of a large port plug!
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#2
Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:01 AM
The hex key locks down the retainer(long cylinder) that fits through the hand wheel.They will loosen off if one use the body of the first stage to help loosen a tight hand wheel.This is when you'll possible get an extrusion of the hidden o-ring thus leaking.Make sure that the o-ring is properly seated before tightening down,this prevents pinching of the o-ring.
There isa tool for o-ring sizing...similer to the tapered cylinder one uses to figure out a ring size.Be careful using the old o-rong as it my be deformed or streatched.
Eric
ps-go easy on the technical language it just confuses some of us
#3
Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:07 AM
Good grief - that made sense to me!!!!! Now I understand why it is occuring, because people do tweak the first stage after it has been screwed down to check to see how tight it is!A couple things to add...
The hex key locks down the retainer(long cylinder) that fits through the hand wheel.They will loosen off if one use the body of the first stage to help loosen a tight hand wheel.This is when you'll possible get an extrusion of the hidden o-ring thus leaking.Make sure that the o-ring is properly seated before tightening down,this prevents pinching of the o-ring.
There isa tool for o-ring sizing...similer to the tapered cylinder one uses to figure out a ring size.Be careful using the old o-rong as it my be deformed or streatched.
Eric
ps-go easy on the technical language it just confuses some of us
Oh and 6gill, you have totally fixed my doo-hickey conundrum! <- yes that is me sticking my tongue out!
Once in a while, it is good to step back, take a breath, and remember to be humble. You'll never know it all - ScubaDadMiami. If you aren't afraid of dying, there is nothing you can't achieve - Lao-tzu. One dog barks at something, the rest bark at him - Chinese Proverb.
#4
Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:13 AM
Good grief - that made sense to me!!!!!
Oh and 6gill, you have totally fixed my doo-hickey conundrum! <- yes that is me sticking my tongue out!
Well glad you understood...now if someone could explain it to me...
Eric
#5
Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:48 AM
Cheers Jim
#6
Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:53 AM
Some regs call for Loctite on the threads so they do not back out when the diver turns the reg while pressure is applied. Mares for example.
Cheers Jim
Some Pro Diving shop in NJ that shall remain nameless Loctited my Oceanic first stage together and it distroyed most of the threads when it was serviced next time, go easy on that stuff!
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#7
Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:06 PM
I'd have to say, I'd be a bit worried about binding the threads on my regulator.
Once in a while, it is good to step back, take a breath, and remember to be humble. You'll never know it all - ScubaDadMiami. If you aren't afraid of dying, there is nothing you can't achieve - Lao-tzu. One dog barks at something, the rest bark at him - Chinese Proverb.
#8
Posted 26 March 2006 - 10:05 AM
Loctite comes in different grade so don't be using one on your regs that requires heat to disassemble
With loctite a little goes along way, the secret is that it is a two componet (binary) system. Imagine gel filled ping-pong balls suspendes in soup. After applying a drop to the threads you need to work the thread back and forth a bit to break the gel filled balls causing them to mix with the 'soup' this then sets up the reaction which causes the locking. The shelf life is approx. one year on the stuff in the bottle.
My personal opinion is loctite has a place but regulators is not one of them and I would question any regulator that calles for its use or any service person that use it on a reg. Look at how many regs out there have never seen loctite and dont seem to unravel.
Eric
#9
Posted 26 March 2006 - 04:20 PM
#10
Posted 10 May 2006 - 05:58 PM
Once in a while, it is good to step back, take a breath, and remember to be humble. You'll never know it all - ScubaDadMiami. If you aren't afraid of dying, there is nothing you can't achieve - Lao-tzu. One dog barks at something, the rest bark at him - Chinese Proverb.
#11
Posted 10 May 2006 - 06:49 PM
Another sign you may have a first stage issue? Both regulators are continously flowing.
are you speaking of a late experience?
#12
Posted 10 May 2006 - 09:37 PM
Once in a while, it is good to step back, take a breath, and remember to be humble. You'll never know it all - ScubaDadMiami. If you aren't afraid of dying, there is nothing you can't achieve - Lao-tzu. One dog barks at something, the rest bark at him - Chinese Proverb.
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