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#76 scubaski

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 06:24 PM

OW---> AOW---->RD all with less than 24 dives?? What's the rush?
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Posted 23 February 2009 - 11:29 PM

OW---> AOW---->RD all with less than 24 dives?? What's the rush?



My dive buddy and I are taking a trip to the Florida Keys during Spring Break and we wanted to have rescue diver under our belts before we went out...we wanted to be as prepared as possible before we jumped into the ocean. Plus the instructor at our LDS is moving in May, so I guess there has been kind of a sense of urgency about getting through some of the training classes. I'm going to take my time with DM though.

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 11:29 PM

By the way, we're seriously looking at getting the seasigns flashcards that were mentioned earlier in this thread. Our underwater communication could stand a lot of improvement. SD is already paying off!

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#79 Capn Jack

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 09:13 AM

OW---> AOW---->RD all with less than 24 dives?? What's the rush?

Not to be part of the "Card Collector" enthusiasts - but I think most everyone should not only take Rescue, but have no fear in stepping up to it in short order. The Rescue course focuses a lot on self-rescue, which is to me is the most likely scenario most of us will ever face. You are not qualified at the end of the Rescue course to be a Public Safety Diver or something like that - you just know a lot more about helping out yourself, the crew and other divers in emergency situations.

The AOW tag is an unfortunate one IMHO - not to demean the agencies that use it, but it really should be called OW Part II. For that matter, I am so convinced of the benefits of Rescue, that I believe it really should be called OW Part III and part of every diver's card collection.

The other prerequisite beyond AOW for Rescue is CPR and First Aid - which can be obtained through your dive agency as a course, but the agencies all to my knowledge accept credentials from other certifying agencies such as the Red Cross, or even your local Fire Department. And knowledge of current CPR and First Aid are helpful in everyday life as well as diving.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 09:21 AM

The AOW tag is an unfortunate one IMHO - not to demean the agencies that use it, but it really should be called OW Part II. For that matter, I am so convinced of the benefits of Rescue, that I believe it really should be called OW Part III and part of every diver's card collection.


I have to agree with Capn Jack on the AOW tag. I did AOW as a way to refresh skills after doing one diving trip and being out of the water for several months (I did one trip a year for two years...then life happened for 12 years). The term Advanced in no way described my skills then and doesn't describe them now. I'll be taking a rescue course when the water warms up around here.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:36 AM

OW---> AOW---->RD all with less than 24 dives?? What's the rush?

Not to be part of the "Card Collector" enthusiasts - but I think most everyone should not only take Rescue, but have no fear in stepping up to it in short order. The Rescue course focuses a lot on self-rescue, which is to me is the most likely scenario most of us will ever face. You are not qualified at the end of the Rescue course to be a Public Safety Diver or something like that - you just know a lot more about helping out yourself, the crew and other divers in emergency situations.

The AOW tag is an unfortunate one IMHO - not to demean the agencies that use it, but it really should be called OW Part II. For that matter, I am so convinced of the benefits of Rescue, that I believe it really should be called OW Part III and part of every diver's card collection.

The other prerequisite beyond AOW for Rescue is CPR and First Aid - which can be obtained through your dive agency as a course, but the agencies all to my knowledge accept credentials from other certifying agencies such as the Red Cross, or even your local Fire Department. And knowledge of current CPR and First Aid are helpful in everyday life as well as diving.




CapnJack, Would you recommend a minium number of lake/river/ocean dives before AOW-RD-DM or using your own OW part 2/ OW part 3 idea. It seems to me that you need to devolope skills by diving mileage. A new auto driver take time to muture thier skill sets as does a snow skier, baseball player or cook. Thanks-Stan
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:41 AM

OW---> AOW---->RD all with less than 24 dives?? What's the rush?

Not to be part of the "Card Collector" enthusiasts - but I think most everyone should not only take Rescue, but have no fear in stepping up to it in short order. The Rescue course focuses a lot on self-rescue, which is to me is the most likely scenario most of us will ever face. You are not qualified at the end of the Rescue course to be a Public Safety Diver or something like that - you just know a lot more about helping out yourself, the crew and other divers in emergency situations.

The AOW tag is an unfortunate one IMHO - not to demean the agencies that use it, but it really should be called OW Part II. For that matter, I am so convinced of the benefits of Rescue, that I believe it really should be called OW Part III and part of every diver's card collection.

The other prerequisite beyond AOW for Rescue is CPR and First Aid - which can be obtained through your dive agency as a course, but the agencies all to my knowledge accept credentials from other certifying agencies such as the Red Cross, or even your local Fire Department. And knowledge of current CPR and First Aid are helpful in everyday life as well as diving.




CapnJack, Would you recommend a minium number of lake/river/ocean dives before AOW-RD-DM or using your own OW part 2/ OW part 3 idea. It seems to me that you need to devolope skills by diving mileage. A new auto driver take time to muture thier skill sets as does a snow skier, baseball player or cook. Thanks-Stan

Good thoughts, but keep in mind that your AOW-RD-DM-Instructor training is only as good as your diving experience. In-other-words, I've know Instructors that were certified and taught in clear vis, warm water environments, that couldn't handle basic lake/river/quarry/reservoir dives.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 10:05 AM

I agree that most seem to rush right from OW to AOW without any practical experience diving in between. I think it pays to practice diving before your next stage of training. Granted, I went a little too long before starting my AOW training (100+ dives as OW diver), but I would not have done so well in these classes if I did not already have the basics as "instinct".

That said, I can understand the principal behind Capn Jack's assertion that more divers need the Stress & Rescue sooner, but they really need to be competent divers with good buoyancy skills before they do so.
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Posted 01 March 2009 - 08:50 PM

I think a persons abilities come into play as much as if not more then experience sometimes. Some people are much more comfortable in and under the water then others.

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