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#16 shadragon

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 07:12 AM

No, I'm not doing it for bragging rights. I'm doing it out of curiousity of what is beyand what most divers see & also for personal improvement as a diver. I will not do things or go where I'm not prepared, trained or comfortable with. I tend to take things step by step & that's what I want to do with this endeavor.

Tech diving is challenging and I am sure you will do well with that attitude. Go slow, be safe and get the right instructor. I decided a long time ago not to go that route myself. The expense and need to change almost everything I have now for gear precluded that. I wish you the best in your training.

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#17 tstormwarning

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 04:56 AM

I very much appreciate everyone's inputs. Perrone, you have some very insightful considerations, & have set me think very hard as to whether this would be for me or not. As I am sure this was your intention. This Adv. Nitrox course is, from my understanding, a kind of precursor to full technical diving. I will be talking to the instructor tonight. I will find out exactly what is involved. From the course description I read that it can be done with a recreational configuration at this point (although I may be mistaken & will get every detail I can when I talk to the instructor) with the addition of a large pony bottle or deco bottle (O2 cleaned of course). I was just thinking that this course may just be a good way to get my feet wet (pun intended :bam: ) to explore whether or not I really am ready or interested in Tech diving, or just think I am. Plus just having knowledge & experience with & of decompression procedures can help me in a pinch if I decide to stay as a recreational diver & ever get myself into a pinch where that would be necessary.
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#18 JimG

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 10:46 PM

This Adv. Nitrox course is, from my understanding, a kind of precursor to full technical diving. I will be talking to the instructor tonight. I will find out exactly what is involved. From the course description I read that it can be done with a recreational configuration at this point (although I may be mistaken & will get every detail I can when I talk to the instructor) with the addition of a large pony bottle or deco bottle (O2 cleaned of course).

You are correct - course standards (at least for the IANTD course) state that the only special gear required is a deco bottle. I usually encourage people to take the course with a redundant regulator, though (single with a Y or H valve, or manifolded doubles). My personal opinion is that any time you are in an overhead environment (whether it is physical or "glass"), then you are much better off with redundancy in your primary gas supply, since surfacing immediately is no longer a valid bailout option for resolving a problem.

One other thing to consider is whether you can meet the bottom time requirements using only a single cylinder. The IANTD course requires a total of 120 minutes of BT in 4 dives, and then of course any deco dives must be planned using the thirds rule. I don't know what your gas consumption is like, but I'd venture to say that many folks would find a 30 minute dive to 100+ feet to be a bit of challenge with just a single cylinder. Doubles OTOH, should give you plenty of gas.

Plus just having knowledge & experience with & of decompression procedures can help me in a pinch if I decide to stay as a recreational diver & ever get myself into a pinch where that would be necessary.

If you're interested in learning more about decompression procedures, then you might consider taking a YMCA Silver Advanced or NAUI Master Diver course. This is a "rec" level course where they normally cover things like decompression theory, gas management, deco procedures, etc. If you take the course from someone who does a lot of tech diving, then you'll get the tech "flavor" on the decompression side of things, along with an opportunity to do a simulated decompression dive (i.e. a dive that is actually within the NDL, but where you carry out a decompression profile as if it had been a deco dive). That will give you a "taste" of tech diving, but still within the realm of recreational training.

Either one of these courses will also teach you instructor-level knowledge of a lot of different topics, which will help prepare you for the DM course. It's something to think about, anyway.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 08:18 AM

I think you got a *solid* piece of advice from JimG. Take Fundies. If you pass it, then proceed with your technical training. It's a great benchmark to see where you truly are. Because I'll tell you right now. If your buoyancy is not solid, and you have a good Adv. Nitrox instructor, there's no way you'll pass. Holding that 20ft stop with no reference is a bear if you haven't really worked on it. Hitting your stops on ascent if you haven't worked on that skill is brutal.

Fundies is the best (and hardest) class I've ever taken. And we never got deeper than 40ft. Truthfully, after Fundies, I wondered why I have ever ventured out of a pool! They ask you to do the most mundane things. And you find out you really can't do them at all. Brilliant.


I don't mean to hijack the thread, but could you explain what you mean my "Fundies", or maybe point me to a link where I can learn more? At this time I don't have any interest in doing tech diving, but I always have a strong desire to be the best and safest diver I can be.

Thanks!

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 08:29 AM


I think you got a *solid* piece of advice from JimG. Take Fundies. If you pass it, then proceed with your technical training. It's a great benchmark to see where you truly are. Because I'll tell you right now. If your buoyancy is not solid, and you have a good Adv. Nitrox instructor, there's no way you'll pass. Holding that 20ft stop with no reference is a bear if you haven't really worked on it. Hitting your stops on ascent if you haven't worked on that skill is brutal.

Fundies is the best (and hardest) class I've ever taken. And we never got deeper than 40ft. Truthfully, after Fundies, I wondered why I have ever ventured out of a pool! They ask you to do the most mundane things. And you find out you really can't do them at all. Brilliant.


I don't mean to hijack the thread, but could you explain what you mean my "Fundies", or maybe point me to a link where I can learn more? At this time I don't have any interest in doing tech diving, but I always have a strong desire to be the best and safest diver I can be.

Thanks!


"Fundies"=DIR fundamentals

This is one course that I have never taken so I can only speak to the divers that I know of who have taken it. It is the prerequisite to any GUE course and is good barometer of where your skills are. I know of several people who have taken the course and earned a provisional pass (meaning come back when your skills are cleaned up to redo them for and instructor) and still mention this as a course that they learned a great deal from.
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#21 JimG

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 08:35 AM

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but could you explain what you mean my "Fundies", or maybe point me to a link where I can learn more? At this time I don't have any interest in doing tech diving, but I always have a strong desire to be the best and safest diver I can be.

"Fundies" is the DIR Fundamentals class taught by GUE (Global Underwater Explorers) and others. It teaches you fundamental skills (hence the name) such as buoyancy, trim, propulsion techniques, and team protocols. The course is very intense, and is usually taught over a 3-4 day period.

You can get more information about GUE at their website (www.gue.com), including standards for all their training classes, list and location of instructors, and a schedule of upcoming courses. If you have more specific questions about Fundamentals, then post them here - Perrone, myself, and few other SD members have taken the class, so we can tell you something about what to expect.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 09:24 AM

"Fundies" is the DIR Fundamentals class taught by GUE (Global Underwater Explorers) and others. It teaches you fundamental skills (hence the name) such as buoyancy, trim, propulsion techniques, and team protocols. The course is very intense, and is usually taught over a 3-4 day period.

You can get more information about GUE at their website (www.gue.com), including standards for all their training classes, list and location of instructors, and a schedule of upcoming courses. If you have more specific questions about Fundamentals, then post them here - Perrone, myself, and few other SD members have taken the class, so we can tell you something about what to expect.


Checked out the website. Looks like it would be a great class. I'll have to looking into it soon. Thanks for the info!




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