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#46 shadragon

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 07:11 AM

Shadragon, you've misread his question. He did not ask if you could go to 180 to get them. He asked if you could go to 130 to get them.

:thankyou: You are right PF I did... I assumed worse case scenario where it was an uncontrolled descent. Their rate of descent would change the approach to the scenario. Still you would only have 2-3 minutes at best at that depth before you had to ascend and still have an ample supply if gas for you and your buddy should things get worse...

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 08:18 AM

:thankyou: You are right PF I did... I assumed worse case scenario where it was an uncontrolled descent. Their rate of descent would change the approach to the scenario. Still you would only have 2-3 minutes at best at that depth before you had to ascend and still have an ample supply if gas for you and your buddy should things get worse...


I guess the real question is "Can you switch to regular air for part of a dive beyond the nitrox limit, then safely return to nitrox for the rest of the dive?"

I mean, the calucations to figure out the tables would be mind numbing, but I'm wondering if it would be possible, or even advisable in a life threathing situation. Again, the only other option is to watch your buddy die.
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Posted 28 February 2007 - 08:29 AM

People switch gases all the time. In fact, on a rebreather, the gas changes constantly during the dive and it's seen as a feature.

If I did what you are asking about, it wouldn't even change my deco profile most likely. Or only a minor change.

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 08:33 AM

:thankyou: You are right PF I did... I assumed worse case scenario where it was an uncontrolled descent. Their rate of descent would change the approach to the scenario. Still you would only have 2-3 minutes at best at that depth before you had to ascend and still have an ample supply if gas for you and your buddy should things get worse...


I guess the real question is "Can you switch to regular air for part of a dive beyond the nitrox limit, then safely return to nitrox for the rest of the dive?"

I mean, the calucations to figure out the tables would be mind numbing, but I'm wondering if it would be possible, or even advisable in a life threathing situation. Again, the only other option is to watch your buddy die.


Sure- one can switch gasses during a dive. One could go from nitrox to air and back to nitrox. Of course this is not a good way to plan dives in recreational diving, but we are talking about an emergency. One thing to consider is that it takes several breathing cycles until the gas begins to penetrate one's tissues. When I took a Decompression Procedures class my instructor spent tons of time discussing switching to one's deco bottle while doing a CESA to a shallower depth if all hell were to break loose. It would take a few breaths for the deco mix to become a factor, so by the time one made it to say fifty feet the 80% mix might be far less toxic than at 120 feet- still not ideal, but odds would go up. even if you hit the 80% once on the CESA it would still need a little bit to work its way into one's body. Heading deeper would be pretty much the same.

As far as the buddy chasing after a buddy making an uncontrolled descent....this is something every individual has to work out for him/herself. If it were one of my regular friends... I go after them as they would do the same for me. Either both of us come up or none of us come up.

Others might not feel that way.

Edited by matts1w, 28 February 2007 - 08:37 AM.

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 01:45 PM

:lmao: You are right PF I did... I assumed worse case scenario where it was an uncontrolled descent. Their rate of descent would change the approach to the scenario. Still you would only have 2-3 minutes at best at that depth before you had to ascend and still have an ample supply if gas for you and your buddy should things get worse...


I guess the real question is "Can you switch to regular air for part of a dive beyond the nitrox limit, then safely return to nitrox for the rest of the dive?"

I mean, the calucations to figure out the tables would be mind numbing, but I'm wondering if it would be possible, or even advisable in a life threathing situation. Again, the only other option is to watch your buddy die.


Sure- one can switch gasses during a dive. One could go from nitrox to air and back to nitrox. Of course this is not a good way to plan dives in recreational diving, but we are talking about an emergency. One thing to consider is that it takes several breathing cycles until the gas begins to penetrate one's tissues. When I took a Decompression Procedures class my instructor spent tons of time discussing switching to one's deco bottle while doing a CESA to a shallower depth if all hell were to break loose. It would take a few breaths for the deco mix to become a factor, so by the time one made it to say fifty feet the 80% mix might be far less toxic than at 120 feet- still not ideal, but odds would go up. even if you hit the 80% once on the CESA it would still need a little bit to work its way into one's body. Heading deeper would be pretty much the same.

As far as the buddy chasing after a buddy making an uncontrolled descent....this is something every individual has to work out for him/herself. If it were one of my regular friends... I go after them as they would do the same for me. Either both of us come up or none of us come up.

Others might not feel that way.


I have a several people who care that I come up. My regular dive buddies and I have a mutual agreement. We don't make two casualties out of one. If I can save the buddies life with reasonable effort, I will make every attempt to do so. But, I am not going down with a panicking buddy. There is one buddy that I would run severe risk for, but she is cautious enough to know her limitations and stay out of those situations.

As to the other factors, you are correct that none of these are ideal situations. Emergency procedures are risky and/or have a low probability of suceeding or they would be standard. It is up to the divers involved how much risk that they are will willing to accept. We all have the right to our own opinions on this issue.

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 03:19 AM

Walter had a good approach to the use of nitrox that I read somewhere. He will use a mix based on the hard bottom, or stick to air when the bottom is deeper than the plan depth. That way in the wall scenario described there is not an issue with the mix. I thought it was a very good approach.

Back to the original hardware question: Nitrox is simply nitrogen and oxygen, like air, but typically with more oxygen and less nitrogen than air. The issues all come from the extra oxygen. As far as equipment is concerned, tanks have been discussed and regs to some extent. In summary, the tanks need to be cleaned for Nitrox use and should have a VIP sticker that indicates they have been cleaned. Most, but not all regs, BCDs, etc. are shipped ready for up to 40% nitrox, but I believe there are just enough exceptions to make the question worth asking when shopping for regs.

It is also important to understand that there are two uses for Nitrox. One is as your primary gas, which is what most of the comments above assume. The other is in a decompression role, where it is common to see percentages well in excess of 40%. For that you will need to have the regs O2 cleaned. This involves changing the O rings to oxygen compatable rings, cleaning throughout, and using oxygen compatable lubricants when reassembling the equipment.

There has also been little mention of computers. If you re buying a computer today, most will support Nitrox mixes up to 50%. Just stay away from the cheapest air only models. If you are considering decompression diving, you're looking at really expensive computers, or tables. Tables are actually much more common among decompression divers than recreational divers. However, you can still use that inexpensive nitrox computer if it has a "gauge mode". As a result, if you are about to take a recreational nitrox course and need a new computer, you should look for one that is both a nitrox computer and has a gauge mode, just in case you want to use it that way in the future. There are other threads on computers, but those features are important to Nitrox use.

The Nitrox course will make all of this much clearer than any of us is capable of in this forum. The basic Nitrox course is one I recommend for every diver, even if you are not considering the use of Nitrox. The material is simply so valuable to your scuba education that I feel every diver should take it.

Edited by Geek, 02 March 2007 - 03:21 AM.





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