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#1 peterbj7

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 09:43 PM

I wonder if anyone can give me any concrete advice or even assistance? Some time ago my house was burgled and a camera stolen, though the underwater housing for the camera wasn't. I decided to replace the camera if I could, so scoured eBay. I found one, located in England and being sold by a Miss Jones (no relation) and bought it. I paid with Paypal and the corresponding amount went from the associated bank account.

However, after three days it became apparent that the seller hadn't been paid, and at the same time I had an email from Paypal saying they had detected an "unusual transaction" on my account and had suspended it while they investigated. They said I should send them documentary evidence that i lived at my declared address in the USA, by sending utility bills etc (they weren't specific).

I should add that I am in Belize, my Paypal account and the corresponding bank account are in the US, the seller was in England and also called Jones, and I arranged for the camera to be sent to another friend in England who's coming over here shortly and can bring it with him. His name coincidentally is also Jones. So I can see that at a quick glance they might find the transaction confusing, but firstly it was only for just over $100 so it was hardly of any great significance, and secondly they have never asked me to explain the transaction. I am only assuming by juxtaposition that this is indeed the transaction they are balking over, because they haven't said.

Also noteworthy is that I have held this Paypal account for about 8 years and have used it extensively, with absolutely no problems until now. The bank account is only a couple of years old.

I wrote to them on their secure messaging service saying that they already had proof that the address I had registered was the address my bank used, and that I wasn't in a position to prove that I lived there. The reason I gave at that point was that to do that I would have to be at the address, and I wasn't and wouldn't be for quite some while.

It is of note that I have never lived in the USA and have never told eBay or Paypal that I do. I do have a registered address for bank statements and Paypal checked that out. There has never been any suggestion that to have a US Paypal account you have to live in the USA.

I received another message which I'm sure is computer generated even though it began "Hello, my name is Holly" or some such. I replied that the transaction had died because the seller wouldn't wait and I wanted my money back. I received an identically worded "reply", not even purporting to answer my substantive points and claiming to be from a different person.

I have since written to them three more times, using the secure messaging service because I know of no other way of contacting them, with identical responses. Except the last time I haven't received any reply at all, and it's now been 5 days.

Some two months have now elapsed since this all started.

So, my question is at several levels, but first and most importantly, does Paypal have any sort of physical corporate existence? Is there a physical address I can write to, or as I now feel inclined, deliver a writ to? They seem to be above any form of accountability. The amount that they have taken is only just over $100, but it could easily have been much more and they would still be sitting on it and stone-walling me. I regard their actions as possibly criminal and I want to take action against them, partly to get my money back and partly to expose them for the charlatans they are.

I should add that I had a similar experience, similar in some respects at any rate, with Washington Mutual Bank a couple of years ago. It emerged in that that although they provided a secure messaging service for a customer to contact them, those messages never went beyond the data processing department. I gave them instructions relating to a transaction that someone else had initiated and of course expected those instructions to be acted on. Instead they never reached my branch, who were the only people capable of doing anything on my account. This wasn't a one-off failing, it was structural and messages received via the secure website were NEVER sent on to anyone who could act on them. That bank deserved to fail and I'm glad they did, but I wonder whether this sort of preposterous internal structure is common in the US banking sector (Paypal of course being a bank).

Edited by peterbj7, 18 July 2009 - 09:56 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2009 - 05:57 AM

Peter,
Our stories are similiar but not the same.
I had a PP account for several years until a few months ago, besides using it to buy on e-bay I was also receiving rental payments for some property I owned. Everything was going good till i received an e-mail from PP saying that one of the payments I had received had bounced ! I SAID BOUNCED ? how on earth can a electronic transfer bounce!!! that was the whole Idea about using PP in the first place. I contacted them by phone and they told me that for the Sellers convenience they (PP) send their money first, then get the money out of the Buyers account. If the Buyers account is empty they simply reverse the charges back to the seller... sounds simple right ? ITS NOT !!! I got the e-mail from PP several weeks after the money transfer and I had already used a portion of it to pay a loan payment and some insurance on the building. Well the Buyer/Renter had skipped town altogether. And PP was hounding me like a Dog to reverse the charges, I was still in shock over this whole thing because I had to hire a lawyer to help me legally remove the rights of the Renter so I could reenter the building and clean it up so I could rent it again. I must be a very bad judge of character because I found another looser as a tenant !!! most of 2009 was filled with the sound of a toilet flushing :wakawaka: and I almost had to cancel an upcoming SD trip...Thankfully my close friends/Buddies Que and Scubapunk bailed me out at the last minute....Long Story Short, I sold that property and payed PP the reversed charges and canceled my account with them, I would have never had a pay-pay account knowing that someone could bounce a payment on it !

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 10:05 AM

I arranged for the camera to be sent to another friend in

I never ship to anyplace other than the official address.

I have quit using paypal as one of their practices is that they coerce people into using UPS. Because I use Federal Express they hold my money for 90 days.

Now I only accept US Postal Service money order. The post office gives me cash. Then I ship the item to the address given on the US postal service money order and no where else.

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 10:27 AM

Yes, but that doesn't work very well or at all for international transactions. By definition everything I do is international.

On the bounced payment, any payment (even a cashiers' cheque) can bounce given certain circumstances. I have had VISA receipts bounced months after the event, and of course have been unable to do anything about it. There was a case reported in England a few years ago where someone sold a house and several months after the whole thing had apparently been put to bed the payment was bounced. The bank involved said then that any payment could bounce, even a year or more after the event. At that point many people started demanding cash only for all transactions, which of course caused considerable problems for the banks and everyone else. In one case for example, I bought a used car for cash - I went into my bank and withdrew GBP20k in cash (they really didn't like that), gave it to the seller in exchange for documents etc, and he then paid it into his account in the same branch of the same bank. May have seemed silly, but it meant the transaction was certain and secure.

On my Paypal problem, does anyone know how I can definitively contact their corporate office?

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 10:35 AM

try this number:

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 05:49 PM

I can't make US phone calls from here, not without bankrupting myself. What is that number?

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 06:38 PM

Peter,
Try using Skype ....I have never got anything worked out over e-mails and pms when it comes to serious business, I used Skype one time (period) and it was free...and I was in Figi at the time. Calling PayPal and talking to a real person, is the only way to get things solved in your case..IMHO Friend. Kimmie TY for providing that phone number Buddy !

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 12:03 PM

When I was in Belize, the ISP serving the cafe I was in was blocking Skype access. I ended up VPN'ing in to work and tunneling my Skype traffic through work to get it out of Belize.

This was on the SD trip there when we used Peter's dive op, so it was a couple of years ago.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 06:07 PM

And BTL, the local ISP, have learned a few tricks since.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 06:49 PM

I can't make US phone calls from here, not without bankrupting myself. What is that number?

it's their contact number

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 10:42 PM

Peter, PayPal is owned by eBay, so perhaps the contact info for eBay's corporate HQ will be helpful:

eBay
2145 Hamilton Ave.
San Jose, CA 95125
Phone: 408-376-7400
Fax: 408-376-7401

This page may be helpful as well. This one, too.

PayPal
2211 N. First St.
San Jose, CA 95131
Phone: 402-935-2050
Fax: 650-864-8001

Good luck with this situation.

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 06:32 PM

Thanks Victoria, that looks potentially of great value. They've ignored the last three times I've written to them, and they are still holding my money. I don't know whether "crooks" is too strong a word? They certainly seem to hold themselves above accountability.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:46 AM

I thought I'd give people an update. 18 months on Paypal are still holding my money, and still ignoring every attempt by me to contact them. I have to say I've had similar experiences with Washington Mutual and (to a lesser extent) Bank of America, so it seems to be endemic to the US banking system. Are they total crooks (IMO the most likely answer) or just totally incompetent? The two banks I mentioned have internal communication systems clearly designed to have a total disconnect in them, so perhaps Paypal operate the same way. Ostensibly they offer a service not apparently offered by anyone else, so this is doubly irritating. I do know that once I have managed to get my money back, no doubt without an apology or any interest, I will advise everyone never to have any dealings with them.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 01:32 PM

Paypal is a necessary evil in a number of situations. They have many fans and I have for the most part had acceptable dealings with them sans one or two.

We are however phasing them out due to the aforementioned problems.

And while our current system is not perfect, it does allow our international clients to pay us via credit card and have better success then those who have tried to pay via paypal.

Thank you for the update Peter...I often wondered if you ever got that resolved.

I wonder if doing a utube video of how bad paypal is and how they rip you off would help? It helped the guy with the broken gituar! ;)

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