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#1 TabeaK

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:25 AM

Has anyone had any experience with these?

http://www.diveaeris.com/jetpack/

Seems like a pretty neat system - I am putting together my first ever complete divegear and it is quite enticing to be able to carry everything with you on the plane. I've met a British couple on my recent Maldives trip, who both used head to toe Aeris and they were raving about them!

They are easily twice as expensive as regular BCDs, but a couple of trips where you save on the airline fees for dive luggage, and it pays for itself. Don't know about flights originating from the US, but over here in Europe you can easily pay $100 PER flight on your checked dive luggage.

The BCD also looks quite compact, which I like. I have so far always dived with rented Scubapro gear, and all these BCDs were massive on me. On the other hand the rentals always had a lot of straps and fasteners, which I found reassuring - the jetpack only has the waist and sternum strap....hmmm...

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:08 AM

Good morning Tab,
I think it is a very innovative B/C.Aqualung make the Zuma another Light B/C,doesn't have the bag option with it.It is a little lighter on the pocketbook too.Since you are just getting into this sport.It is a addictive one,meaning there will be all sorts of new items that will creep its way into your pocket book.
I own a Hollis HD100 B/C,it has pockets and plenty of movement for my arms and Yes ,it is (NOT) a carry on and I have to pay for the extra dive bag,of stuff..But,it's all in what you want to do when you go on diving trips.It's all personal choice with some item's.As most of us here have bought & re bought .Good luck with your quest on equipment.

Has anyone had any experience with these?

http://www.diveaeris.com/jetpack/

Seems like a pretty neat system - I am putting together my first ever complete divegear and it is quite enticing to be able to carry everything with you on the plane. I've met a British couple on my recent Maldives trip, who both used head to toe Aeris and they were raving about them!

They are easily twice as expensive as regular BCDs, but a couple of trips where you save on the airline fees for dive luggage, and it pays for itself. Don't know about flights originating from the US, but over here in Europe you can easily pay $100 PER flight on your checked dive luggage.

The BCD also looks quite compact, which I like. I have so far always dived with rented Scubapro gear, and all these BCDs were massive on me. On the other hand the rentals always had a lot of straps and fasteners, which I found reassuring - the jetpack only has the waist and sternum strap....hmmm...

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 10:49 AM

I remember reading about this when it came out. It does look like a good bcd from the reviews I've seen - here's one review that has a video. Only comment on the video is about the price though.

I haven't personally seen anyone use this and the lack of pockets could be a problem though.

I do have an Aeris bcd and the strapping is similar to that and it has worked well for me.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:27 AM

I have an Aqualung Zuma, I purchased several years ago, after diving with a ScubaPro KnightHawk for 4 years. I found a difference in the number of D-rings, fewer on the Z, the KH has weight pockets on the shoulder of the jacket, and of course the weight difference 4.5lb for Z vs 8.5lb for KH. Also, the tank strap is positioned differently on the Z, so if someone else is changing your tanks, you should check it prior to every dive. As Greg mentioned, the shoulder straps on the KH attaché to the cumberbund, whereas the Z straps are routed over the shoulders & under arm, then join across the chest. My daughter also has a Z, she joined me for 11 days on a liveabosrd recently, and didn't check any bags!!! She rolled up the Z and the rest of her dive gear into a back pack [35lbs], and the rest of her personal gear & cameras into a smaller back pack. She was able to carry on both bags. Of course she doesn't carry the spares I do, complete set of hoses, set of regs, DSLR camera w/strobes, etc.

If your primary concern is weight, then a travel BC maybe best for you. Please also consider the type of diving you will be doing, 'recreational', tech, cave, etc. You may find a travel BC would be appropriate for only recreational diving, whereas a different style would be preferable for other types of diving. Here's a prior thread which will give you more input.

Find a dive shop that carries both types and/or different brands, and find one which you are most comfortable with.

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#5 TabeaK

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

You guys are amazing! Posted Image/>

Thanks for the advice. Given that I am a baby diver, stricly warm water and on holiday, I would likely be fine for a good while with a recreational BCD.

I was wondering about the lack of pockets, but then you could use the "weight" pockets for some little stuff and just wear a weight belt.
In all of my dives so far, the only thing I ever put in a pocket was a safety sausage...that'd likely fit in the aeris as well.

I'll see if I can find a dive shop that carries these over here and try them on.

Edited by TabeaK, 17 November 2013 - 12:29 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 12:31 PM

Hi Jennifer,

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I actually did see these in use at a demo near me. They are a very interesting bag. I'm a bit of a dive gear junkie so I'm always checking out what's new. My impressions is that it's a marriage between a mountaineering backpack, travel bc, and a back plate and wing setup. The Aeris has taken lessons from all these to create it's all in one solution. It uses mountaineering backpack concepts like cinching separate compartments together. It takes lessons from technical back plate and wing designs by going with rear inflation and keeping the front of the diver free of much clutter. The travel part comes in using plastic as the back plate to minimize weight and going with detachable weight pockets.

I saw it at the demo being stuffed with gear and was rather impressed by how much it could hold. I actually think it's a very good backpack. The problem is that in such a specialized sport like scuba, equipment that is designed to perform multiple functions, rarely performs all of them well. I felt it was a much better travel solution than it was a BC. Take a look at the videos on the Aeris site. Only one of the three videos has even some footage showing the divers actually using the BC in the water.

Now watch that first video on their site and pay very careful attention to the divers actually diving the BC. You'll notice that the divers are all rotating over to their left. The BC looks very big in the water even though out of the water it looks small. The divers are all out of horizontal trim and fighting the bc's tendency to want to spin over to the left on the diver. There's a couple of reason's it's happening. First, the wing is oversized for the type of diving the diver is doing. In Aeris's attempt to make this an all in one solution it made the wing a 31 lb lift wing so it can handle a wider variety of gear configurations. But because the bc is more backpack than BC, it doesn't have a good way to pin down the large wing. It does have some attachment points to keep the wing down, but not in optimal locations because the those locations are being taken up by stowing features of the backpack part of the system.

So you're getting what's called "tacoing of the wing" as it stands straight up on either side of the tank. As the BC rolls on the divers body, more and more air slides over to the right end of the wing compounding the problem making the diver want to spin over even more. What's worse is that since the air is trapped at the ends of this taco, the center line of the wing, where the dumps are located are below the air trapped at the ends of the taco making venting the air out of the BC extremely difficult.

Also, the shoulder straps start out great attaching at the bottom rear near the back at the plate. Which is optimal for keeping the backpack/BC's back plate flat against your back. But the moment you want to use this as a BC, it starts to fail. What happens is that in order to attach the weight pockets, you have to move the lower shoulder strap attachment point form behind the diver directly to the plate, and shift it forward along the cummerbund over the weight pockets to support the weight of the lead. ESPECIALLY, since it seems that the cummerbund/waist strap is only attached to the BC via velcro! So like most BC's, in moving the attachment point forward to support weight integration, it makes the BC prone to spinning on the body. And that's way many divers suffer from "cinch it down tight syndrome". All those quick adjust straps are there to compensate for the fact that the shoulder straps aren't attaching around the back of the diver keeping the diver's back flat up against the backplate, so divers squeeze down all the straps to make the BC feel secure and stable.

I've had jacket style BC's, rear inflate BC's, and travel BC's. I tried a backplate and wing once, went home and sold all my BCD's. I'll never go back to a BCD. And it's compact. On my last trip I took my backplate and wing, regs, wetsuit, fins, mask, computers, camera, lights, dive boots, some clothing, all in my carry-on! For me I want my BCD system to be at it's best under the water not above it. Just my 2 psi

J

Has anyone had any experience with these?

http://www.diveaeris.com/jetpack/

Seems like a pretty neat system - I am putting together my first ever complete divegear and it is quite enticing to be able to carry everything with you on the plane. I've met a British couple on my recent Maldives trip, who both used head to toe Aeris and they were raving about them!

They are easily twice as expensive as regular BCDs, but a couple of trips where you save on the airline fees for dive luggage, and it pays for itself. Don't know about flights originating from the US, but over here in Europe you can easily pay $100 PER flight on your checked dive luggage.

The BCD also looks quite compact, which I like. I have so far always dived with rented Scubapro gear, and all these BCDs were massive on me. On the other hand the rentals always had a lot of straps and fasteners, which I found reassuring - the jetpack only has the waist and sternum strap....hmmm...

Thoughts, anyone? Posted Image/>



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:05 PM

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Very interesting! Thanks a lot.

What specific model are you diving with then, jesterdiver?

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:04 PM

The great thing about back plate and wing setups is that they are very modular in their own right. They are the epitome of simplicity so there are many manufacturers that make quality systems. OMS, Hollis, Dive Rite to name a few. In Europe xDeep is pretty popular as well. My advice is to avoid the extra bells and whistles like quick adjust straps and quick release buckles etc. Once you get a back plate and wing adjusted right for your body, you'll pretty much never have to adjust it again and as your dive career advances and you may decide to use double tanks, or pony bottles, cave diving, wreck diving, the BP/W will grow with you as it's the most widely used platform for all forms of technical diving.

I personally use a Hollis Solo harness. I removed two of the D rings on the shoulder straps and all the shoulder padding. I use a steel back plate and a 25lb wing. Since the setup doesn't have all that extra padding that is only really useful above water, and I'm using a steel backplate that is about 5-6 lbs. I dive in tropical waters with NO lead of any kind, wearing a 3mm wetsuit when diving and I'm neutrally buoyant at the end of my dive at 10 feet or roughly 1 meter with no problem.

BCD's are usually inherently positively buoyant so you are actually carrying some extra lead weight to offset this while with a BP/W you are inherently negatively buoyant which counteracts the inherently positive buoyancy your body has with a wetsuit getting you naturally pretty close to neutral without the need for much if any extra lead.

Hope this helps and feel free if you have any other questions. If I can save one person from spending all the money I did just to circle back to the most basic and simplest of solutions, I'll be happy. The BP/W vs BCD debate is a big one, but one thing I've found to be true more often than not. I've met many people that have gone from recreational BCD's to BP/W, but I've yet to meet a diver that has gone from BP/W to a BCD. I'm sure they exist, I just haven't see it yet. Ultimately it comes down to what works for you though so whenever possible try to test drive different options before buying.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:40 PM

Great advice guys, Just a couple psi from me. If pockets are your only concern, many of the companies previously mentioned and a couple more, offer a variety of add-on Pockets to hold about anything may want to take along...or bring back. I am also a gear-aholic and I have a small collection of pouches. One is a dropdown style that straps to your thigh. Most of the rest are threaded on the waist strap. Pick a good solid foundation and adapt it to your needs. I hope to see you on a trip soon.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:08 PM

Great call Jerry, I forgot about the pockets. I use the leg strap pockets too and they are great! Dive Rite and Highland I think both make them. I'm also considering just gluing a pocket to my wetsuit thigh area also. But haven't decided yet on that one.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:31 PM

My Awesome Whites dry suit has two thigh pockets installed from the factory. You don't need to dive it the way it's pictured in the catalog! I just ran downstairs and picked up my favorite add on pouch. It's from Deepoutdoors . I believe it's meant as a spare mask pouch. It's the size of a mask box. It has a flat front pocket with a Velcro closure and the main compartment has a flap closure that comes about a third the way down the front to a fastex clip. It's lined with a bit of padding throughout. Just something to think about.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:13 PM

Yeah I have a White's tech drysuit. I'm not crazy about the factory pockets because they are a little hard to open and close with thick gloves on though, hard to feel the flaps. I like the idea of using different pockets over them though. I'll check it out, thanks for the tip!

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:45 PM

Okay, I feel like I have read everything on BCs on the web now....Posted Image/>

I have figured out every other piece of equipment I want to get...but the BC is probably something I will be scratching my head over for a while yet...

Still intrigued by the Aeris...but we'll see. It is twice as expensive as most other models, after all.

I am thinking I will go with a jacket or maybe hybrid style for now. The BP/wing style just seems a little too daunting for me right now...maybe a couple hundred dives from now. Maybe the under water positioning is easier with a wing - but in my (admittedly very limited) experience, I always felt safe with a jacket style bcd and moving under water in any kind of direction/position was easy enough...
Plus, I actually do not mind weight belts - I am currently only using 8 pounds - and suspect I was still a little overweighted on my last trip.

All the things I will likely never (or only in the distant future) do are:
* local cold water diving (non salt) requiring more lift
* any sorts of cave/tech/multitank/heavy on equipment/super deep diving - never gonna happen Posted Image/>
* solo diving - yeah, that is sooooo never going to happen...Posted Image/>Posted Image/>

So a reasonably light weight one will probably be the deal - considering future travels...and if I have to get another one a couple of years from now because I change my mind...so be it. Posted Image/>

I am going back to reading reviews...Posted Image/>Posted Image/> Who'd have thought the BC would be the most difficult one to pick?

Edited by TabeaK, 18 November 2013 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:14 PM

Good luck in your quest. If you can try to demo a couple you are considering. Please keep us informed on how your search is going.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:21 PM

Hehe, will do, once I have untangled this Gordian knot...:dancing:/>




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