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[WVMike]

Is this the incident with the 'megateam' (group of 4 and 5) which led to a double-fatality?

If so the IUCRR report is out, and it appears that the problem was not gas management related.

Is this IUCRR report available online, if so can you provide a link? Or tell me where I can find it?

One of the divers was on my team in the DIR/F class, this accident has had an additional impact on me because of this.


Thanks

Mike

[Terri]

Don't I remember something about there being three types of lies...

Lies, Damn Lies, and statistics !

If I remember correctly, it was Mark Twain that said that....

and I work with statistics all the time in my job - so I use that quote a lot!

[Genesis]

http://www.iucrr.org for the IUCRR reports.

Wouldn't a low number of diving fatalities and the fact that many diving fatalities are often related to health problems, diving beyond the level of one's training (OW divers going into caves for example), or making mistakes that violate one's training or commom sense be more of a proof that diver training works rather than that diving is a safe activity that can be learned on one's own?

Only if there's a correlation with people remaining within their 'training' can such an objection be made.

That, however, is objectively not true. Further, as has been demonstrated by the statistics, most of the people who do expire are diving within their training. Indeed, for the years that I looked at, there are more certified cave divers who expired than uncertified cave divers.

It can just as easily be concluded that either (1) there is no correlation at all, or worse (2) the training given is either worthless or even dangerous!

The NACD was, for a time, proud of "no trained fatalities." Of course they conveniently forgot that there were so few certified NACD divers compared to the total number making cave dives, that statistically-speaking one would not expect any of them to have gotten a bad roll of the dice!

[BradfordNC]

Who among us believed Reefer Madeness when it was shown to us in school?

lol

dude, you sooooooo just dated yourself.

[WVMike]

http://www.iucrr.org for the IUCRR reports.

Thank You!

[peterbj7]

I do not have the time to pick apart your posts point by point. ....... Drowning people in verbage does not make what you say correct.

Well said. I'm afraid I switched off some time ago. I do find the topic interesting and it is undeniably important, but, PLEASE - no more!

(Thanks for the note Kamala, and of course I do agree with you).