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#31 netmage

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 11:55 AM

" PDE research " ?
"full blown type 2's " ?
"had the TTE " ?
"the TEE scheduled. " ?
"UNC " ?

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PDE - Project Dive (Exploration?) - DAN's effort to collect dive profiles "from the wild"
full blown type 2 = Type 2 DCS, i.e. neurological, in my case, symptomps identical to a stroke, starting w/ left side, to total body paralysis, Arterial Gas Embolism, basically a bubble instead of a clot.
TTE - Trans Thorasic Echocardiogram - External imaging of the heart via ultrasound, ~70% effective, some false negatives.
TEE - Trans Esophegeal Echocardiogram - Same test, but this time, drop a probe down the esophegus, 90-95% effective, considered the gold standard test.

UNC - Universal Naming Convention or Univ. of North Carolina but I havn't seen it used in context in this thread..
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 12:17 PM


A couple of quotes:

"There is no evidence that caffeine in beverage form is dehydrating. Its diuretic effects are usually compensated for by the beverage's fluid content."


I've seen this source however the toll placed upon the body to *filter* out the therapuetic affects of water from coke, soda, tea, coffee, etc diverts vital internal resources from essential functions such as immune system protection, digestion, etc. Yes i believe you can eventually get enough needed water from food and poor hydrating sources...but at what cost to the body, or perhaps more appropriately what weight gain, when you could do it easily by going directly to the source?

"While there have been several studies done that show caffeine is a mild diuretic, there is no evidence that exercise, when combined with the consumption of caffeine or caffeinated beverages, will result in chronic dehydration, and this is contrary to the advice of most exercise physiologists, physicians and dieticians," explains Armstrong, who has been conducting fluid balance research since 1980.


This quote states that *several* studies show caffeine to be a dehydrating element. Then it says that in conjunction with exercise, caffeine will not result in chronic dehydration. Actually most Americans are already chronically dehydrated and as a result many of us interpret *thirst* as hunger and eat rather than drink. Again if you deluge the body with enough fluids the body WILL process them. However at a great toll and expense to itself in the process.

Caffeine in the form of coffee :respect: or tea is no worse than water according to several studies. In fact Caffeine increases alertness, heart rate, energy and stamina. All good things when diving. So enjoy your morning coffee in moderation of course.


In this statement the key is *moderation*. This statemetnt implies that moderate amounts of coffee are no worse than water. Most Americans consume LARGE quantities of coffee, tea, sodas and very little water. And yes in moderation caffeine is good. Again the key is *moderation* as it is detrimental in large quantities.

That being said I am (and I think most everyone else) is a huge fan of just plain water. There was no Gatorade when we were fighting saber tooth tigers!!!!! If I am in balance to start the day, (I like Perrone's prehydration routine) I will drink 2 liters or so per 2 tank dive. Before, during SI and after. Couple that with Immersion Diuresis and believe me you do not want to borrow my wetsuit. :cheerleader: :birthday:


This is good....water is good and again if our bodies were not so whacked out by chemicals we would be more in balance and feel parched if we did not drink the proper amounts of WATER! :thankyou:

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 05:17 PM


A couple of quotes:

"There is no evidence that caffeine in beverage form is dehydrating. Its diuretic effects are usually compensated for by the beverage's fluid content."


I've seen this source however the toll placed upon the body to *filter* out the therapuetic affects of water from coke, soda, tea, coffee, etc diverts vital internal resources from essential functions such as immune system protection, digestion, etc. Yes i believe you can eventually get enough needed water from food and poor hydrating sources...but at what cost to the body, or perhaps more appropriately what weight gain, when you could do it easily by going directly to the source?

"While there have been several studies done that show caffeine is a mild diuretic, there is no evidence that exercise, when combined with the consumption of caffeine or caffeinated beverages, will result in chronic dehydration, and this is contrary to the advice of most exercise physiologists, physicians and dieticians," explains Armstrong, who has been conducting fluid balance research since 1980.


This quote states that *several* studies show caffeine to be a dehydrating element. Then it says that in conjunction with exercise, caffeine will not result in chronic dehydration. Actually most Americans are already chronically dehydrated and as a result many of us interpret *thirst* as hunger and eat rather than drink. Again if you deluge the body with enough fluids the body WILL process them. However at a great toll and expense to itself in the process.

Caffeine in the form of coffee :respect: or tea is no worse than water according to several studies. In fact Caffeine increases alertness, heart rate, energy and stamina. All good things when diving. So enjoy your morning coffee in moderation of course.


In this statement the key is *moderation*. This statemetnt implies that moderate amounts of coffee are no worse than water. Most Americans consume LARGE quantities of coffee, tea, sodas and very little water. And yes in moderation caffeine is good. Again the key is *moderation* as it is detrimental in large quantities.

That being said I am (and I think most everyone else) is a huge fan of just plain water. There was no Gatorade when we were fighting saber tooth tigers!!!!! If I am in balance to start the day, (I like Perrone's prehydration routine) I will drink 2 liters or so per 2 tank dive. Before, during SI and after. Couple that with Immersion Diuresis and believe me you do not want to borrow my wetsuit. :cheerleader: :birthday:


This is good....water is good and again if our bodies were not so whacked out by chemicals we would be more in balance and feel parched if we did not drink the proper amounts of WATER! :thankyou:



I guess my point is that there is a common misconception that beverage based caffeine is the reason we are chronically dehydrated. It doesn't help but it doesn't hurt much either. IMHO we just don't drink enough plain old water.

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 06:49 PM

I guess my point is that there is a common misconception that beverage based caffeine is the reason we are chronically dehydrated. It doesn't help but it doesn't hurt much either. IMHO we just don't drink enough plain old water.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

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One study does not negate the findings of many. However one study could just be the first of many. Logic says we are NOT consuming enough WATER in this country by looking at our general health, stress levels and lifestyles.

We do however consume GALLONS of coffee, tea, sodas, juice, *BIG GLUPS*, slurpies, beer, etc.

And you are correct...we do not consume enough water... pure h20.

You did not hijack the thread. You showed many of the common misperceptions that people have about hydration. In the end...most of us NEED WATER and we just refuse to drink it.

A few more tricks...

1. Drink a glass of water 8 oz first thing in the morning.
2. Drink a full glass everytime you take any pills, supplements, meds
3. Drink a glass between breakfast and lunch
4. Drink a gladd between lunch and dinner
5. Drink a glass between dinner and bedtime.

That is MOST of your water consumption right there that you need for the day. No harm in treating it like medicine and just DRINKING it down. It will save your life...or certainly make the quality of it better!

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 07:52 PM

We do however consume GALLONS of coffee, tea, sodas, juice, *BIG GLUPS*, slurpies, beer, etc.



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Posted 24 August 2007 - 10:47 PM

" PDE research " ?
"full blown type 2's " ?
"had the TTE " ?
"the TEE scheduled. " ?
"UNC " ?

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PDE - Project Dive (Exploration?) - DAN's effort to collect dive profiles "from the wild"
full blown type 2 = Type 2 DCS, i.e. neurological, in my case, symptomps identical to a stroke, starting w/ left side, to total body paralysis, Arterial Gas Embolism, basically a bubble instead of a clot.
TTE - Trans Thorasic Echocardiogram - External imaging of the heart via ultrasound, ~70% effective, some false negatives.
TEE - Trans Esophegeal Echocardiogram - Same test, but this time, drop a probe down the esophegus, 90-95% effective, considered the gold standard test.

UNC - Universal Naming Convention or Univ. of North Carolina but I havn't seen it used in context in this thread..


Sorry to do this but there needs to be some corrections, before my head explodes.

1. DANs PDE is a study that gets volunteers to donate profiles from there everyday normal dives from 30 foot Discovery dives lead by instructors to joe blow vacation diver..... To my case getting profiles from a local fisherman (inadvertantly) who should be bent beyond belief from his diving habits. The study is used to make diving safer for divers, which is at the core mission focus of DAN. Also the study is used to do some validation on the algorithms used in dive computers (dive planners for adv/tech diving) along with the tables that we where taught in OW. IT would be good if all divers partcipated as the more data that is collected with subjects of all types the safer diving will be for everyone. Then goal is a million profiles but even with the 135K+ profiles collected so far have been very insightful in that it proved the mathematics of calculating the odds of DCS (really DAN did look up the rubarb (sp?) study its a good read).

Im not saying this because im a DAN intern this summer, but its because i truly believe in the study and have been submitting my dive profiles since shortly after i got my dive computer, and for the record this summer i have submitted 70 profiles to PDE from my diving this summer. IF anyone has any questions on this study by DAN either post it or send me a PM and i will answer it.

2. Then Type II DCS or nuerological DCS is DCS when there are any symptoms in areas controlled by the Central nervous system. Then its not always the case that type II mimics a stroke thats one possibility but not always. Type II DCS can have any or none of the following sympotms- parathesia of body parts, pins and needles feeling, nervous twitch (similar to High Pressure Nervous Syndrome), disturbances in senses (sight, touch, feel, hearing, and taste), cardiac, bladder, bowl involement, and a few more but it would make for the worlds longest post that would go over alot of heads including some armchair hyperbaric specialists that are speculating on items that they shouldn't be.


then kind of off subject:
also the 3 min(its 3-5 btw) at 15 rule actually has some solid basis in that it takes the body between 3-5 minutes to have a breath make the round trip through the body(from inhalation to exhalation) so that full offgassing has started. Then also the body is at about 1.5 ata of pressure (not exact but close enough). Is longer better for the recreational diver sure it is; IE this summer for the most part i have been doing hangs in the 10'-20' range for anywhere from 10-20 or so minutes after a 30-50 minute dive. At these stops im flat in the water treating it like a deco stop on a deco dive . Even with all of this im still coming up with more air then most divers on the boat (except for the DM/guide).

Does this do anything for me, it doesnt hurt me and it gives me a extra layer of protection and helps with my offgassing (which is supported by my nitrogen loading graphs). I do this because im not in ideal shape due to medications i have been on and I have alot of scar tissue stemming from surguries from a chronic condition i have that had me on meds that are horrid to the body(steriods).

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 01:14 PM

Another book that I found exceedingly useful (it's one of the best diving books I've read) is "The Essentials of Deeper Sport Diving" by John Lippmann.
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Posted 03 September 2007 - 01:13 AM

Hi everyone,

It seems the more I learn about things, the less I really know. DCS is no exception. I thought I had a pretty decent grasp on the issues surrounding DCS, but there is always so much more to learn.

To start with, I never really paid it too much attention, as my dive profiles are always short and shallow, and until this year I never made any repetitive dives outside of a dive class. I always thought getting bent was the domain of the deep diver, or someone who breached their NDL for any given dive, not for someone who dives "safe" profiles well within NDL, and never rushes to the surface. And I am not talking about joint pain symptom DCS, but full blown critical condition rush to the chamber type of event.

I am learning that there are things called "undeserved hits", in which people do everything right, and still get bent. What type of things can cause that? Are there things that predispose divers to DCS? I know about the issues with alcohol, and smoking, but what else is there?

I guess I was pretty naive, but I am hoping to take a rescue class within the next year and do alot more diving, and different types of diving where I might see DCS, and I want to be prepared.

And does anyone know of a good book or other resource that doesn't read like a dry clinical manual?

Thanks...Drew


Drew,

What we DO know about decompression is that we DO NOT know much about decompression.

Haldane was the first noteworthy researcher to theorize about the relationship between pressure and time. Most tabled No-Decompression Limits are based upon Haldanean or neo-Haldanean theories. For example, the first U.S. Navy tables were based upon Haldane's theories and entered recreational diving based upon the endorsement by the U.S. Navy since the Navy was the cutting edge for decompression research at the time. The Navy tables were also the only game in town for decompression information for the average person.

No-Decompression Limits are a misnomer. The decompression involved is factored into the ascent rate which, in theory, is quite critical for the success of the mathematics upon which the tables are based. Many people believe they are ascending slowly, but are often ascending too quickly... or too slowly. If an ascent is too slow during the deeper portions of a dive, additional on-gassing may occur. Ascending too fast in the shallower portions of a dive could result in bubble seeding and formation. To avoid DCS, it becomes important to follow the parameters of the tables or model you are using. This is a lot harder than it sounds and some of us practice ascent rates day in and day out. One trick is to break down that 30 ft./min. ascent into increments. 30 feet per minute is 10 feet every 20 seconds or 5 feet every 10 seconds. Counting 1 foot every 2 seconds can be difficult so you can more easily stay in control of ascents by giving yourself small targets to reach so if you're ahead of schedule you can pause or if behind schedule you can catch up. Thios is another good reason to wear a diving watch or a water resistant sports watch while diving in addition to a computer or a digital depth gauge and timer.

Even if you ascend correctly, you can still get hammered with DCS. Why? Because ALL tables, computers and decompression models are incorrect. If decompression were drawn out like a map of the world, "Thar Be Dragons" would be written all over the place. So, divers are exploring the known map of decompression and beyond much like the early seafaring explorers were charting new passages and discovering new worlds. The quest for new frontiers has produced various dive tables within industries like commercial diving and for explorers like the Woodville Karst Plain Project (a cave diving organization mapping the Wakulla Springs and connecting systems). Models such as the Reduced Gradient Bubble Model and the Varying Permiability Model employ deep decompression stops often beginning within 50% to 80% of the maximum depth of the dive in ATA's. These models are made far more successful by employing the correct mixed gases for depth, travel and deco. Interestingly, while there are more mandatory decompression stops (most commonly every ten feet from 70 feet to the surface), the theory as to how the stops are generated and timed is more easily understood by laymen than many tables and has come to be known as "Ratio Decompression" by the practicioners. It is possible to change the dive plan and recalculate your decompression with uncanny accuracy in your head underwater "on the fly" so to speak. Ratio decompression is a hot topic since some people swear by it while others criticize the sanity of not subscribing to a hard tabled plan. For mixed gas diving and higher oxygen mixtures for decompression, RGBM and VPM plans are now state of the art, but still just theory.

Repetitive dives are even more dangerous because going back in the water with nitrogen or inert gases in your tissues is even more theoretical than the theory behind first dives. Single deep dives have often created pain/joint hits, but repetitive diving is often linked to those nasty neurological hits. Repetitive diving was something the sport diving community really employed. The Navy preferred single dives for its personnel since sending another diver down to do a job was relatively easy.

As was mentioned, many "undeserved hits" are the result of PFO's in the heart allowing blood to shunt from the right atrium into the left atrium allowing venous blood to bypass pulmonary filtration and enter the arterial system. Since decompression involves eliminating excess inert gases through respiration, such shunts would be like skipping portions of decompression or the decompression entirely. Such shunting can also be exacerbated or produced by snorkeling or freediving after SCUBA diving or climbing hills or ladders with heavy equipment loads. Rapid descents and ascents will quickly recompress excess nitrogen still in the tissues and then taking the pressure off rapidly can create bubble seeding, while exertion can cause increased pressure within the heart and allow blood to shunt as if a flap or dam had opened. 30% of the diving public is said to have PFO's according to DAN. PFO's also place an increased risk of stroke on those who have them.

One thing rarely mentioned is the frequency of diving. For those of us who freedive, it's possible to suffer barotraumas to the lungs early in a training season during dives that exceed 100 feet. But, if we build up to deeper dives we can make them without injury. This got me thinking about recreational divers, depth and nitrogen. When we freedive, the lungs compress. Why can a diver who can go to 200 feet or deeper suffer a squeeze injury at 1/2 thast depth after a few months away from freediving during the winter? Is something happening with the tissues of the lungs? Is it the diaphragm? While exploring the mysteries of such an injury that I personally suffered after making a deep freedive without adequate warm ups, I started to wonder about nitrogen elimination from tissues. I dive nearly every day. I make deep dives on air while consuming copious amounts of Coca Cola, Pepsi, Starbuck's and gas station coffees, SoBe green tea, etc., without incident and without even a drop of water entering my body for days. Yet, I'm decompressing all the time. I'll still show nitrogen in my system according to a Nitek computer when freediving the next day. I've had 1 pain only hit in 1989 when suffering "Montezuma's Revenge" during a dive trip after a deep dive on air to 180 feet. No oxygen. No chamber. That night I was playing hard beach volleyball on a team of two guys taking on several cute girls. I usually wreck dive on Coke, Original Formula Dramamine and lack of sleep. I'll dive wet, be freezing cold (I've been known to tolerate long dives in 40 F in a 3mm wetsuit without hood or gloves), and basically break all the rules divers worry about on a daily basis regarding DCS without incident, including diving while suffering from bronchitis and carrying all stage bottles up steep hills and endless stairs after cave dives. Why do this? Because it's my job and like other people I try not to let my career interfere with my tastebuds and personal comfort. In fact, it's 3 A.M. here. I have a scooter class at 9 A.M. and I just downed a can of Coke. Yet, divers follow all the rules, they can be rested, well-hydrated and even eat right and dive well within table or computer limits and take hits.

Those in hyperbaric medicine are finding themselves being briefed on what's come to be known as PADI-itis (since so many recreational divers carry that card) in which divers are taking chamber rides for aches and pains that may actually be due to travel woes such as carrying luggage through airports, long flights in uncomfortable seats, lack of rest and too much partying for the sedentary middle aged 2 week a year Dirk Pitt. So, these false hits are going into the stats along with the real deal. As for the real deal hits, I wonder how often the majority of DCS sufferers dive? It would be interesting to compare bubble research on professional commercial, military and SCUBA pros who dive daily and treat their bodies like sadists to the weekend warriors who do everything right. I'd like to see a group of smoking, drinking, night owl, insomniac dive pros pitted in bubble tests against hydration paranoid triathletes who are infrequent divers just for curiosity's sake. I wonder if tissues used to decompressing can find a way even if you turn your blood to sludge while tissues not used to offgassing shouldn't be depth tested on dive vacations? Anyone have any results or hypothesis on this matter? I'm going to bed & I'm too tired to Google. I don't know why I even posted! :teeth:
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Posted 03 September 2007 - 08:21 AM

As usual Trace you have tremendous insight...and you have the ability to convey that insight even when worn out, tired etc. :cheerleader:

As for your thoughts... there may be some correlation between divers who do things over and over and build up tolerances. For example we all know that there are functional drunks who consume copious amounts of alcohol and yet can drive and function without most of us knowing they are drunk. However the amatuers who drink a few too many are the ones getting into trouble all the time.

Possibly same sort of analogy. Does that mean that I as a nutritional advisor would ever recommend such a lifestyle? I would no more recommend copious amounts of alcohol than I would your diving diet. But you have built up tolerances that most of us have not. Or your body is extremely adept at processing the bad you've given it.

At some point in time we all have to pay the price. And hopefully it will be later than sooner where most people are concerned.

Thank you for the very informative and insightful post...

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 03:17 PM

As for your thoughts... there may be some correlation between divers who do things over and over and build up tolerances. For example we all know that there are functional drunks who consume copious amounts of alcohol and yet can drive and function without most of us knowing they are drunk. However the amatuers who drink a few too many are the ones getting into trouble all the time.


WW - the increased tolerance to alcohol is sometimes due to increased production of the enzyme that breaks down alcohol. So my question is.... if people who dive more often truly do build up a "tolerance" to diving, does this mean there could be some kind of physiological response where some substance or action is produced/occurs more often? Imagine if this really were the case - we could potentially engineer this substance or duplicate the action and create a pre-dive medication that increased dive times even FURTHER due to the body being able to tolerate more nitrogen without producing symptoms or nitrogen bubbles.

I know its way out in left field, but wouldn't this just be SO cool?! :cheerleader: (Its the medical geek in me, what can I say) :thankyou:
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Posted 03 September 2007 - 07:24 PM

I left out a few thoughts in my original post.

The first, addressing the fact that scuba diving is a sport by philosophical definition. In college, I had a class called Philosophy of Sport and Play. Play is free and unreal and not subject to regulation. Games and sports have rules. Games are divided into 4 categories: 1) Games of competition 2) Games of chance 3) Games of mimicry and 4) Games of vertigo. Scuba diving is a game of vertigo. The transcendence into sport has to do with several factors. The foremost being that a sport places the participant at a greater risk than a game. Scuba diving is man vs. nature at the most critical. In this case nature isn't just things like sharks and other dangerous marine life, but pressure and water as well. The consequences of this challenge may be death. In a game, death is unlikely. In a sport there is an increased risk of injury to the point that in sports of vertigo death is quite possible unless rules are followed. Diving involves risk and has rules. Sports of vertigo may also place participants in competition with themselves or others as well as nature. Divers do everything from try to set records for depth or distance, to competing for fish kills, lobsters bagged, and artifacts recovered. Sports require effort, persistence and courage and diving finds most participants engaged in these aspects of the dangerous games we play beneath the surface. Diving can be a team sport and take as much practice to master as a sport like football both for the individual and a team. These are some facets of definition among others. I wish I still had my book in which diving and skydiving were explained point by point as to how they were defined as sports. Believe it or not, baseball somehow lacked one definition of a sport and was therefore still a game.

Also, the intent of my post was to eventually say that just like the thought of running a marathon, doing heavy weightlifting, or shoveling snow for the first time in months means that wse usually take it easy at first, my guess is that the same applies to pressure. Casual divers really need to back off the idea of showing up in St. Somewhere and making 4 dives a day (two often deep) for a week straight. In the past most active traveling divers did 2 dives a day and these divers were usually diving actively in their local areas as well. Often, they would take a mid-week day off from diving to go site-seeing. Now, we've got people who just dive on vacation putting their tissues through a Roman toga party of a time once or twice a year. For those who dive like this, imagine hitting a gym with the same frenzy. The body would create a stress response. The same happens with diving. Pacing oneself is as important as rest and hydration.
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Posted 03 September 2007 - 08:48 PM

Now, we've got people who just dive on vacation putting their tissues through a Roman toga party of a time once or twice a year. For those who dive like this, imagine hitting a gym with the same frenzy. The body would create a stress response. The same happens with diving. Pacing oneself is as important as rest and hydration.



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Posted 04 September 2007 - 06:10 AM

Drew,

What we DO know about decompression is that we DO NOT know much about decompression.

Haldane was the first noteworthy researcher to theorize about the relationship between pressure and time. Most tabled No-Decompression Limits are based upon Haldanean or neo-Haldanean theories. For example, the first U.S. Navy tables were based upon Haldane's theories and entered recreational diving based upon the endorsement by the U.S. Navy since the Navy was the cutting edge for decompression research at the time. The Navy tables were also the only game in town for decompression information for the average person.


Wow, thanks for all that. It makes a bit more sense to me, I can grasp the concept of tissue becoming conditioned to decompress. Kind of like equalizing, when I first started diving I had to pinch my nose to clear my ears, now, most times I don't have to do anything, or at most move my jaw a little. :welcome:
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:29 AM

DCS can happen just by taking a Hot Shower after a normal dive profile.
Case in point...
A few years ago I was in Coz on a dive trip a with several divers diving the same profile.
after returning from our two tank morning dive and sitting down and having some lunch a lady at my table was complaining of numbness in her joints and also having trouble concentrating. Nobody at the dining table was a trained medic but it was obvious that she needed medical attention ASAP, members of the Dive Op where contacted and she was taken to the hospital for a ride in the decompression camber x2. Later we found out that the DCS was caused by taking a Hot Shower immediately after returning from the morning dives.
I hope somebody posting in this thread can expand on why Hot Water showers and diving can cause DSC.

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:51 AM

DCS can happen just by taking a Hot Shower after a normal dive profile.
Case in point...
A few years ago I was in Coz on a dive trip a with several divers diving the same profile.
after returning from our two tank morning dive and sitting down and having some lunch a lady at my table was complaining of numbness in her joints and also having trouble concentrating. Nobody at the dining table was a trained medic but it was obvious that she needed medical attention ASAP, members of the Dive Op where contacted and she was taken to the hospital for a ride in the decompression camber x2. Later we found out that the DCS was caused by taking a Hot Shower immediately after returning from the morning dives.
I hope somebody posting in this thread can expand on why Hot Water showers and diving can cause DSC.

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All dives are decompression dives... DCS is like the body's way of reacting to too much nitrogen having been retained by the body... Even on the most benign profile, up to 4-6 hours post dive, you will find micro bubbles in the bloodstream. Baring any sort of shunt, these are small and simply hit the lungs, break up and are filtered out normally...

Remember our gas laws? Heat excites molecures, they move around faster, and take up more volume. If they flow around and get trapped in the joints or pinch nerves, I image thats where those symptoms came from....
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