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#1 ScubaDadMiami

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 08:56 PM

If you are a DAN member, and if you have ever considered purchasing trip cancellation insurance, read on:

I was scheduled to make a cave diving trip to Mexico starting May 2. With the Swine Flu outbreak looming, I purchased trip insurance through DAN since that organization provides insurance geared toward divers. (The insurance provided medical coverage, and trip cancellation coverage.) As the date of my trip approached, I decided that it would be smart to delay my trip rather than take a risk by going forward with my plans. This was when the fun started.

I heard on the news that many airlines were waiving charges for changes to tickets under the circumstances, and this was confirmed on my selected airline's web site. However, I still had to reach my dive provider (which I provided a hefty deposit), and my booked hotel via email (which I had paid for in full ahead of time), which always takes a good amount of time. With things in doubt, I figured that this would be a good time to contact DAN's insurance carrier about the potential insurance claim that was on the horizon.

I was shocked to find the insurance carrier saying that, inasmuch as there was "only" a "travel advisory," and not a prohibition from the government from travel to Mexico, they would not pay a trip cancellation or delay claim. Since I was still hopeful to reschedule my trip, I asked if I could switch the dates of coverage to my new intended dates of travel without having to pay for a second policy. I was told that the insurance company would take this under consideration, and that I would have to jump through hoops (my words, not theirs) by sending written requests and the usual stalling paperwork that would almost certainly not end up in a decision before my next intended date of travel. They "might" make a special exception to change the coverage dates without charging more.

Okay, not everything coming from the insurer's representative was completely cold. The representative suggested that I contact DAN Member Services to see if they could do anything about getting the effective dates of coverage changed without additional charges. So, that was my next move.

I then contacted DAN Member Services to voice my concern that a medical based organization for divers would force their membership to have to make a decision to either lose their trip costs by taking a prudent medical precaution by not making trips to Mexico, or, even worse, feeling forced, by financial circumstances, to go forward with their scheduled dive trips to Mexico, and thereafter becoming seriously ill or worse. How could an organization made up of medical professionals take such a stance?

Meanwhile, I was lucky enough to find that my booked hotel would have no problem switching dates. Ditto for the airline due to these special circumstances (and without incurring a charge). Although things at first were not certain with the dive shop, this also finally worked out. So, I requested that DAN would at least change my dates of coverage without forcing me to pay for a second policy.

After a day or so, DAN Member Services informed me that they would make this "exception," changing my dates of coverage. However, I never got a final answer about whether they would be willing to change their policy coverage in the future to prevent other divers from having to decide about risking money or taking a health chance on a trip to a zone with a "travel advisory." The DAN representative told me that DAN is taking this issue "under consideration."

If you are a DAN member, it is time for you to contact DAN to inform them of your stance as a member on this issue. Medical organizations should provide proper insurance coverage for divers that does not potentially push them to jeopardize their health in the face of a significant financial expense. DAN needs to change its cancellation insurance coverage to automatically include cancellations due to health-based trip advisories, period. This should not be a "special exception."

I don't want other divers out there to have to make the tough decision that I was almost forced to make. Please contact DAN (you can even fill out the "Contact DAN" form on their web site) to voice your concern as a member. If enough members contact them to voice our opinion, I would imagine that DAN will realize how strongly the membership feels about this issue. It might help sway the policy decision in the favor of diver members.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 06:14 AM

Is a flu outbreak a "Natural Disaster?" It never did get bumped up to "pandemic" despite the media's obsession with it. The WHO never suggested any travel plan changes unless you were ill, although the CDC did advise avoiding nonessential travel to Mexico.

The Insurer will pay a benefit, up to the Maximum Limit
shown on the Schedule, if an Insured is unable to
continue on his/her Trip due to the following Unforeseen
events:
[...]
(e) the Insured’s Primary Residence or Destination being
made Uninhabitable by Natural Disaster, vandalism, or
burglary;



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Posted 06 May 2009 - 08:25 AM

More people catch the common flu between October through March every year than this media hyped swine virus. It's unpleasant but treatable and people still travel everywhere during those months. The death statistics from the common flu are much higher every year. I wouldn't cancel and the guy got the dates switch without penalty too so I really don't see the hoopla. Just my 2 psi.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 10:22 PM

In the "General Exclusions" section of the policy, it states: "This plan does not cover any insured Loss caused by or resulting from . . . any Trip taken outside the advice of a Physician." In other words, if a physician advises against making the trip, and you, the insured, decide to make it anyway, you are not covered, and the insurer will not pay.

In this case, both national and world health agency physicians advised not to make such a trip. Additionally, I am willing to bet you that not one person's personal physician would advise in favor of making this trip during the current outbreak. Would yours have told you to make the trip under the circumstances?

Given this situation, the insurer should have provided coverage in the event that I would have needed to rely on this. It isn't fair that the insurer should profit from premiums while retaining the right to deny coverage due to a policy exclusion (travel against advise of a physician) on the one hand while stating that a "mere" national and world health travel advisory is not sufficient to trigger coverage on the other hand. Does that seem fair to you?

It just doesn't seem right to me that a medical organization, DAN, should ally itself with a position that forces its paying members to have to decide to risk contracting a serious illness in this way. So, I decided to do something about it by bringing this to your attention, and by giving you a vehicle to potentially correct the situation.

No matter how you feel about the situation, DAN has indicated that it would consider revising future policies to provide coverage in such an instance. If enough members voice their opinions, perhaps we can prevent someone from contracting a serious illness (or worse) after making a pressured decision to make such a trip in the future.
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 12:22 AM

In the "General Exclusions" section of the policy, it states: "This plan does not cover any insured Loss caused by or resulting from . . . any Trip taken outside the advice of a Physician." In other words, if a physician advises against making the trip, and you, the insured, decide to make it anyway, you are not covered, and the insurer will not pay.

In this case, both national and world health agency physicians advised not to make such a trip. Additionally, I am willing to bet you that not one person's personal physician would advise in favor of making this trip during the current outbreak. Would yours have told you to make the trip under the circumstances?

Given this situation, the insurer should have provided coverage in the event that I would have needed to rely on this. It isn't fair that the insurer should profit from premiums while retaining the right to deny coverage due to a policy exclusion (travel against advise of a physician) on the one hand while stating that a "mere" national and world health travel advisory is not sufficient to trigger coverage on the other hand. Does that seem fair to you?

It just doesn't seem right to me that a medical organization, DAN, should ally itself with a position that forces its paying members to have to decide to risk contracting a serious illness in this way. So, I decided to do something about it by bringing this to your attention, and by giving you a vehicle to potentially correct the situation.

No matter how you feel about the situation, DAN has indicated that it would consider revising future policies to provide coverage in such an instance. If enough members voice their opinions, perhaps we can prevent someone from contracting a serious illness (or worse) after making a pressured decision to make such a trip in the future.


When all boiled down to a claim, DAN insurance only covered you for diving related incidents. I've heard from so many people that if you do get sick, just have someone throw you in the water so at least you can file a claim. TRIP insurance is another situation entirely.

The person in this scenario stated that he/she purchased the TRIP insurance AFTER hearing the news about swine-flu. If you put money down after knowing about a certain situation, you shouldn't complain about losing your money and deserve to lose your money. There is no pressure from the insurance company for this person to make the trip. I may be more sympathetic if the insurance purchase was before the media hype.

We live in such a litigation happy society that we can't purchase anything without all the warning labels to protect the manufacturer or seller. Yes, the advisory for travel is there (for lawsuit protection) but you do need to look at the facts. This epidemic (pandemic) is NOT serious. If you catch it, it is a nuisance, but the majority of cases get over it. At risk people are young children, elderly, & immuno-compromised or the care-taker of previous at risk. If I fall under this category, it IS serious and I would cancel my plans and stay home. If I'm not in this category, it's NOT serious and I would go.

BTW: My niece-in-law and her husband (an Infectious Disease Physician who works for the CDC) is in Cozumel diving right now. Would they make a side trip to Mexico City or Cancun? NO. Would they go to La Paz? YES. It's a personal decision travelers need to make for themselves.

I worked in the drug industry so we do make more money when panicky people start hoarding medication. I do tell my patient/customer my opinion if asked and saved some people some money. Would I travel to Cozumel right now without Tamiflu or Relenza? YES.

Our society tends to favor the consumer and if you play and ask nice, most people will use common sense and accommodate you. The person in this scenario was able to postpone his/her trip and got everything switched to another date (including the trip insurance).

Mounting a campaign and getting other people to call/write on an issue already resolved is NOT PLAYING NICE in my book and totally unnecessary.




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