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#61 cmt489

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 12:06 PM

don't make cmt use this:  :mauswhip:

I think some of the guys might like it. :helpsmily:

This is what worries me!! :fish2:

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 12:17 PM

don't make cmt use this:  :mauswhip:

I think some of the guys might like it. :helpsmily:

First in LINE!!

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 12:21 PM

:helpsmily: :fish2: :birthday:

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 12:27 PM

weren't you just saying the other day that you need to use :mauswhip: more often?

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 01:55 PM

Paul Harvey says the Chinese are going to the moon in 12 years because there is lots of Helium 3 there and that is going to power the world for thousands of years.

I feel a lot better now. I'm gonna go out and buy an Expedition and fill it up with Premium.
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 01:59 PM

weren't you just saying the other day that you need to use :mauswhip: more often?

Hmm. That looks like fun. Maybe I should have taken Kamela up on her offer. :cheerleader:

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 06:28 PM

weren't you just saying the other day that you need to use  :mauswhip: more often?

Hmm. That looks like fun. Maybe I should have taken Kamela up on her offer. :lmao:

and the Offer was.....

???

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 08:28 AM

weren't you just saying the other day that you need to use  :mauswhip: more often?

Hmm. That looks like fun. Maybe I should have taken Kamela up on her offer. :birthday:

and the Offer was.....

???

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Now that would be telling, but maybe one day, I could have joined the whips and chains club. :birthday:

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 05:25 PM


IMHO Dept.:  Greenpeace is more concerned with promoting a leftist, anti-Capitalist agenda than it is about protecting the environment.

;) Yet another secret "agenda". I know there is a "gay agenda" or the vast "right wing conspiracy agenda", but not the "leftist anti-capitalist and screw the environment" agenda. :teeth:

Ever seen any of the protests whenever they have a WTO or G-8 meeting?
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 05:27 PM

What is a NIMBY?

Not In My Backyard.

People who don't want annoying features (highway, nuclear power plant, etc) built in their area.

Here in California we also have bananas.

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We also call them Luddites.
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 05:36 PM

Well, Greenpeace's agenda is pretty open. It's fairly hard to find anything on their websites where they say anything positive about any large corporation, any democratic government or any mainstream activity focused on the environment. I don't support them because I think there are other organizations that are more effective and do it in a more open, consensus building manner. They have their own vision and it's not completely wrong, but economics drives most human activities and I think it's more effective to work with forces that are effective. For example, I hope gas prices stay high. I think we need more federal taxes on gasoline. Reduce, reuse, recycle--economics not carping makes these things happen. Same way with the Nature Conservancy--buy land on the open market, protect it for future generations.

I would go so far as to say that economics, in one form or another, drive EVERY human behavior.

Your example is a good one - the best cure for high gas prices is high gas prices (although I'd fight you on the taxation side). High gas prices cause consumers to alter their behavior, both along their individual demand curves and in shifting their demand curves through purchase of more fuel-efficient vehicles.

The great idiocy I see right now in this kerfuffle over gas prices is that people (largely on the left) who desire independence from foreign oil, forbid domestic exploration and drilling (offshore, ANWR, shale oil in Colorado, etc.), and want lower gas prices. By driving prices lower through windfall profits taxes and price controls you necessarily shift production to the low-cost producer, which would INCREASE our dependence on Saudi oil producers! ;)

There is no escaping economics - you have a better chance of defying the law of gravity.
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 06:24 PM

http://www.opinionjo...ml?id=110007473

A good list of books recommended by Michael Crichton.
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 06:59 PM

What is a NIMBY?

Not In My Backyard.

People who don't want annoying features (highway, nuclear power plant, etc) built in their area.

Here in California we also have bananas.

Build
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Anywhere
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We also call them Luddites.

and the problems with Luddites is....???

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 02:06 PM

BTW, I read in Time Magazine that the oil companies profits last year were $4 billion.

saw a couple of recent articles on the internet. It seems that oil companies are busy trying to 'defend' their huge profits. The 4 billion profit reported by 'time' seemed awfully small. Wonder what the real truth is because I'm sure that they all write the story to favor their view... and manipulate the numbers as they see fit. This article is in forbes(attached)

http://www.forbes.co.../ap2328347.html




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