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#16 triggerfish

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Posted 27 April 2004 - 10:19 PM

Trigger, Voices in your head? Is that why you do the things you do? What are they saying now?

if only you knew, gk!

and to which things are you referring, exactly?!

Edited by triggerfish, 27 April 2004 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2004 - 06:49 AM

I don't have any real, medically substantiated info on the subject, yet. So, I'll make up some BS answer.

NP,

Wow, my doctor does the same thing....!

(just teasing) :blush:

Actually, your "BS" answer makes a lot of sense. I can still hear ok, but there are some times when I think someone is saying one thing and they are actually saying something close to what I thought. I sometimes wonder if all my diving (esp. since I dive in chilly waters) may be affecting it.

Of course, I also like to "jam" to the stereo while I am driving...that could be part of the problem. (nothing like some good "automobile kareokee" to start the day!)

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Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:51 AM

Of course, I also like to "jam" to the stereo while I am driving...that could be part of the problem. (nothing like some good "automobile kareokee" to start the day!)

Amen! Preach on sister!

Last year I spend a couple grand on my car stereo so that it'd be nice and loud. Now I'm thinking it's not loud enough... Though I still think it's funny that I can lose my voice in the hour commute home because of singing along :blush:

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Posted 28 April 2004 - 09:36 AM

Of course, I also like to "jam" to the stereo while I am driving...that could be part of the problem. (nothing like some good "automobile kareokee" to start the day!)

Amen! Preach on sister!

Last year I spend a couple grand on my car stereo so that it'd be nice and loud. Now I'm thinking it's not loud enough... Though I still think it's funny that I can lose my voice in the hour commute home because of singing along :P

Rock on! Keep on singing!

Speaking of preaching, they always did say "make a joyful noise unto the Lord" so that's what I'm doing!! :blush:
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 04:43 PM

So that's why my ex-wife said I never listened to her!! (At least I think that's what she said.) :cool2:

Edited by Narwhal, 02 May 2004 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2004 - 06:38 PM

I find this thread very interesting, since I am hearing impaired. I started wearing hearing aids about 2 years after I started diving. My hearing loss started prior to diving, however. I'm told it is a nerve loss - for all you doc's out there. So the loss is expected to increase with age - yeah that. From what the doc's are saying it would have nothing to do with the nerve portion of the ear. So when my ears get plugged with water I really don't hear too much. I don't use drops to unplug them very often, because it causes irritation when I put in my hearings aids.

I won't be giving up diving if it could cause further loss.

My buddy's job is to make sure I know when my name is called during roll call. And I have to position myself near the divemaster when giving site instructions.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 11:07 PM

When someone loses some degree of one sense, they typically enhance the other senses. I bet you and your dive buddy have great eye contact, constantly know each other's location, have well defined hand signals, and maybe use a tank banger, duck, rattle, or some other devices to signal. Good for you to keep doing what you enjoy, and finding ways to overcome some obstacles.
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 07:54 AM

I find this thread very interesting, since I am hearing impaired. I started wearing hearing aids about 2 years after I started diving. My hearing loss started prior to diving, however. I'm told it is a nerve loss - for all you doc's out there. So the loss is expected to increase with age - yeah that. From what the doc's are saying it would have nothing to do with the nerve portion of the ear. So when my ears get plugged with water I really don't hear too much. I don't use drops to unplug them very often, because it causes irritation when I put in my hearings aids.

I won't be giving up diving if it could cause further loss.

My buddy's job is to make sure I know when my name is called during roll call. And I have to position myself near the divemaster when giving site instructions.

Hi,

Thanks for posting, and KUDOS to you for not letting a physical challange hold you back. You are an inspiration.

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 08:06 AM

When someone loses some degree of one sense, they typically enhance the other senses.

Hi NP,

I witnessed this first-hand a few years ago. One of my friends is totally blind. I came over visit him, and I walked in wearing a pair of high heeled boots. He said "you're wearing heels today, aren't you? " I asked him how he could tell, since his floor was carpeted, so he didn't hear my heels clicking.

He replied "Your voice sounds taller than it usually is" . I was amazed.

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 09:29 AM

A couple of thousand $$$ for a car stereo system? Wow... my entire car isn't worth more than $1K. Of course it sits on the mainland where it gets exercised about once a month. Don't need one here on the island.

Nextariel- thanks for sharing your story. At times I worry about my declining hearing, or at least what it might mean a few years down the line. However, by continuing my diving (as if I could stop!), I am vastly enhancing the visual experiences of my life.

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 10:29 AM

A couple of thousand $$$ for a car stereo system? Wow... my entire car isn't worth more than $1K. Of course it sits on the mainland where it gets exercised about once a month. Don't need one here on the island.

Don't get me wrong, I only paid 2200 for my car. The 2k for the stereo was for a cd player/mp3 player/satellite radio head unit, a 12in sub, a good amp and misc cabling. I spend almost an hour each way commuting to work, so it was worth the money to make the time enjoyable :wow:

Actually if you count the $300 that I paid for the front/rear speakers a year before that when I bought the car, I paid more total for the stereo than I did for the car :welcome:

Oh well, I'll likely pay more for Scuba gear than I did for my car also. Soon anyway :dancing:

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 04:34 PM

When someone loses some degree of one sense, they typically enhance the other senses. I bet you and your dive buddy have great eye contact, constantly know each other's location, have well defined hand signals, and maybe use a tank banger, duck, rattle, or some other devices to signal. Good for you to keep doing what you enjoy, and finding ways to overcome some obstacles.

Actually, I think I hear as well as anyone else underwater. It could be the frequency or the way sound travels.
I do use many hand signals, but those most of us know and a few learned each trip from other buddies or divemasters.

We all play the cards we're dealt.

No problem sharing if it helps someone else.

Edited by nextariel, 05 May 2004 - 04:49 PM.

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 08:39 PM

Hearing loss, depending of course on the cause, is often frequency specific. That is, the person has relatively normal hearing at some frequencies, and loss at others. If that is in the range of normal voice, then hearing aids, etc are used. Doesn't mean that high pitched, or vibratory sounds, and the like cannot be heard. I am glad that you can hear well enough underwater. Keep on diving.
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Posted 11 May 2004 - 02:53 PM

Obviously none of you have been to a party at DEMA. The answer is a definative yes to diving causing hearing loss. All you have to do is bring a non diver to a divers party and you know we all can't hear a damn thing. I have seen this so many times. They will ask me, why is everyone so loud? I laugh and say because none of us can hear s*%t.

I think it takes time and regular diving to do it and it is not your normal run of the mill hearing loss.

The joke that runs through those who have been diving for over ten years, is that if a diver is nodding their head and clearly does not understand what you are saying, say it louder.

The good news it that we do not need to hear underwater really. Yes, I think that even if you do not hear well, you do hear well underwater because the sound that reaches us is primarily low frequency. My Doc tells me it is the high frequency stuff that goes first.

I have found that my hearing is not going in the traditional sense that a hearing test shows. You put cans on my head and tell me to point at the side the sound comes from and I do just fine. But, put me in a noise filled room and ask me to hear the conversation right in front of me, forget it. The person I am talking to gets a lot of huh, excuse me, what and other assorted suttle signs for HELLO, speak up I cannot hear you in here. Also, when there is other noise that is at the same level as the conversation I am having I tend to have trouble picking up one sound from the other. So, it really is a question of pulling one sound out of a group of sounds that I have the most truoble with.

But, I can still do sound for television, pass a hearing test, pickup what someone says across the room when that is all that is there and enjoy the sound of the wind over the ocean. Strange. I am often told in a noisey environment by people, shhh I am right here. So, I think we lose our own volume control or maybe this is a male/instructor/public speaker problem. LOL

My very unscientific answer for it is that two things happen.

One relates to what was put forth earlier. I believe that the pressure changes cause arthritis of the ear bones. Thickening of the tissues would be effectively the same thing, but that should make equalization more difficult. I thing the little joints in the ear bones just do not work as well.

Secondary to that, I think the fact that we are equalizing all the time and our ear drums are adapted to that, cause the ear drum to become more flexible. This acts like loosening the membrane on a drum it reduces the ability of the membrane to transmit sound. So, with increase flexibilty in the ear drum and bones that do not transmit the sound as well, we get selective hearing loss. That would explain why in a noise filled room it all just gets messed up. Yet if the sound is isolated we do much better with it.

Again, I am not a doc, but my Doc likes the answer and pretty much all the people I know say they have the same issues. I do believe it is a different hearing loss than being exposed to high noise levels all the time. High noise does cause high frequency hearing loss. I have not lost that with cans on a hearing test.

So, that is my theory on it. But, it is true, you will have hearing issues if you dive regularly for many years. But, I do think it is worth it. Just realize you are not going crazy the day you cannot hear well in a crowded room with lots of noise while you are trying to carry on a conversation.

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 04:21 PM

Since I don't like crowded rooms and noise anyway, I will keep on diving. Thanks for the thoughts.
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