On practicalities, I love the idea of a 25-dive AOW course. If Trace can give me any tips I'll try to market it here.
Edited by peterbj7, 15 October 2005 - 03:11 PM.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 03:11 PM
Edited by peterbj7, 15 October 2005 - 03:11 PM.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 03:26 PM
Brian,Actually Trace brings up another pet peeve of mine.
I have seen divers that want their skill set to be absolutely perfect before hitting the open water. The result with many of these is literally spending every weekend at a shallow lake or quarry doing nothing but skills.
This sounds good and in some respects it is. But, they never see what situations look like to forced them to learn those skills in the first place. The result is a diver with 100-200 dives in the same lake/quarry that has never been on a boat or built any other "real" experience. This turns into the equivalent of the diver who has never dived out of a class. I guess that what I am saying is that if a person doesn't push the envelope a little bit, then they don't tend to grow more confident. This is why I like Trace's course outline . It forces students to push the envelope a bit and not simply be content because they can do all of these skills. It teaches them when to apply a given skill and proves to them that they can do it under pressure.
Posted 15 October 2005 - 09:18 PM
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:10 AM
Peter,On practicalities, I love the idea of a 25-dive AOW course. If Trace can give me any tips I'll try to market it here.
Posted 17 October 2005 - 10:56 AM
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 09:30 AM
Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:12 AM
Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:38 AM
Limitations to my GUE training:I've just poked my head into this thread and wanted to respond to something Trace said. Obviously, I will be taking some GUE training and I don't take offense to what he said, but I do want to mention something.
I don't really think it's GUE's fault that divers have run with the DIR concept and some have spent more time "looking pretty" than actually diving. GUE/DIR becomes an easy target because it is highly visible right now, and the agency espouses good diving.
There are lots of ways to dive. The DIR system is particularly suited to caves and overheads. But there is a lot of good stuff in there for open water or other environments. I think it is hugely unfortunate that some GUE trained divers are just out there "competiting" with each other, but I don't hear a lot about them. I read accounts daily of GUE trained divers out doing real work and research, and I choose to emulate that.
I am also taking training from IANTD, NAUI, TDI, as well as GUE. So maybe that will give a different perspective.
Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:00 PM
Posted 19 October 2005 - 12:12 PM
Exactly, Peter, like maybe sidemounting is a better configuration for a solo diver.When a DIR diver is not in a team, is there a danger that (s)he will blindly follow the tenets of DIR when there might be a better gear configuration?
Posted 19 October 2005 - 01:29 PM
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Edited by gis_gal, 19 October 2005 - 01:31 PM.
Posted 19 October 2005 - 01:41 PM
Just wanted to address some of Trace's concerns here as I felt some were a bit misleading.Limitations to my GUE training:
1) Where do I put my tool bag?
2) What if the cave requires sidemounting? Do we not explore it?
3) Guys, have you been in Peacock or Jackson lately? Shouldn't I mark my spools, reels, and such so that I can identify them by feel in a silt-out? Or use others, because some Halcyon gear needs to be improved greatly.
4) Caves & wrecks are different. GUE overhead is Cave 1, Cave 2 & Cave 3. What about Wreck 1, Wreck 2 & Wreck 3?
5) No two GUE instructors agree on what is DIR.
Advantages to my GUE training:
1) Better than any other classes I have ever taken in regard to trim/buoyancy/team skills.
2) I learned where the bar was set & decided I'd surpass it.
3) Got me to DRILL my butt off to make skills second nature.
4) Got me to THINK about the details of every aspect of a dive.
5) While my GUE instructors had little interest in my perspective on what could be improved regarding Halcyon gear, I found the guys at EE/Halcyon themselves to be the best bunch of dudes I'd ever met and we had an awesome discussion about the equipment and some of the things that I found created problems during dives. They were interested to teach & inform me & to learn in return.
Trace
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