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#316 David Evans

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 09:32 AM

drbill, 2 Cdn pennies coming your way . . .

What your comment would say to me is that you're glad that other guy is FINALLY out of the way so you can now take your shot. It doesn't indicate any empathy for the woman or how she is currently feeling. It just seems like you want to get the show on the road and get what you want, without being considerate of what she may want or need at this time. Make sense? :cool1:

I didn't know Canadian pennies were made of solid gold... :teeth:

I think you've nailed it, Annasea... very accurate read. :evilgrin:

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 11:03 AM

Well in my classroom, it depends on the infraction. Just being distruptive, you get three chances. After those three time outs, you go to the office. Hitting, biting, cussing and EW spitting get you an immediate walk down the hall to the office. Two office visits get you a call home to mom and dad. But in the end, it is at my discretion. I generally only have to give "the look" to get immediate change in behavior.
As for the fridge and bed in the corner... nope! :cool1: :evilgrin: We can not reward negative behavior!!!!!

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#318 annasea

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 11:52 AM

I didn't know Canadian pennies were made of solid gold...  :)


LOL!!! If only! :D

I think you've nailed it, Annasea...  very accurate read.  :hiya:

Thx, David, but I'd hold off on that :respect: if I were you. We'll have to wait and see what the good doctor has to say, after all. ;)










#319 Twinklez

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 02:10 PM

On the topic of drbill's dive buddy #1: My take in drbill's description was that he was diving with someone who he really cared for, and she led him to believe that she cared for him in the same way as well; however she was already romantically involved. They continued to dive together as friends, and drbill is thinking that the only reason the relationship couldn't progress beyond friends is because of the previous romantic involvement on the part of dive buddy #1. We don't know if there was any flirting, or "signals" dive buddy #1 might have given along the way that might lead drbill to believe that this was still the case. Being a scientist, I would think that his brain and his heart both operate on a fairly logical basis...you know, A + B = C. So I give him the benefit of the doubt that the signals were present and he's taking her statements at face value. His statement "Maybe it's time for us" is just that..."US", and not me, me, me. Yes, dive buddy #1 is probably hurting and going through a tough time, but she has nevertheless led a man to believe that the only reason she could not love him completely is because of her pre existing involvement with someone else. Not knowing the details entirely, it almost sounds to me like dive buddy #1 could have simply been leading drbill on for her own selfish reasons; self-gratification, an ego boost, a great diving buddy, or what ever other fringe benefits the relationship they had may have given her. Maybe now the rouse is over.

Go easy on the good doc. :hiya:

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 02:18 PM

On the topic of drbill's dive buddy #1:  My take in drbill's description was that he was diving with someone who he really cared for, and she led him to believe that she cared for him in the same way as well; however she was already romantically involved.  They continued to dive together as friends, and drbill is thinking that the only reason the relationship couldn't progress beyond friends is because of the previous romantic involvement on the part of dive buddy #1.  We don't know if there was any flirting, or "signals" dive buddy #1 might have given along the way that might lead drbill to believe that this was still the case.  Being a scientist, I would think that his brain and his heart both operate on a fairly logical basis...you know, A + B = C.  So I give him the benefit of the doubt that the signals were present and he's taking her statements at face value.  His statement "Maybe it's time for us" is just that..."US", and not me, me, me.  Yes, dive buddy #1 is probably hurting and going through a tough time, but she has nevertheless led a man to believe that the only reason she could not love him completely is because of her pre existing involvement with someone else.  Not knowing the details entirely, it almost sounds to me like dive buddy #1 could have simply been leading drbill on for her own selfish reasons; self-gratification, an ego boost, a great diving buddy, or what ever other fringe benefits the relationship they had may have given her.  Maybe now the rouse is over.

Go easy on the good doc.  :hiya:

Twinklez, :respect: to YOU, my dear lady! :D

A very interesting and probably correct take on the situation!

I saw it only from the perspective of how I, personally would feel. Knowing drbill as we do (not much of course, but nonetheless, one does get a feel for people through their writing), this woman may very well be as you describe her.

Thx again for another perspective! ;)










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Posted 25 July 2005 - 08:56 PM

Twinklez, :banghead: to YOU, my dear lady! :D

A very interesting and probably correct take on the situation!

I saw it only from the perspective of how I, personally would feel. Knowing drbill as we do (not much of course, but nonetheless, one does get a feel for people through their writing), this woman may very well be as you describe her.

Thx again for another perspective! :angel2:

Thank you and your very welcome (all in one breath)!!!

What's really cool is not so much the fact that I shared another perspective; but that someone read it with an open mind! :diver:

I believe I'll actually have the pleasure of meeting the The Good Doc this coming weekend. I'm traveling to CA to visit dad and hope to dive with drbill on Sunday. :o

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#322 Walter

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 09:07 PM

You should have a grand time, he can show you lots of cool stuff and he's a great dive buddy.
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#323 Twinklez

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 11:20 PM

You should have a grand time, he can show you lots of cool stuff and he's a great dive buddy.

I am really looking forward to it Walter. :cool2:

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 12:48 AM

I agree with ScubaPunk as well, although I think too much emphasis is being put on her communication as the problem.

Although all I know about you and this particular dive buddy is what you've written, this is my take on the situation:

She's going through a (probably) difficult and painful break-up from a man she's been seeing for over 3 years, I believe. During this time, she's been diving with this great guy from Catalina Island who has expressed interest in her over a period of time. Now that the break-up is pretty much a done deal, this Catalina guy thinks it's OK to make his move and declares, "Maybe now is the time for us!" (Or words to that effect.)

Personally, I'd be a bit put off as well, drbill. (I'm extremely sensitive though. :cool1:) What your comment would say to me is that you're glad that other guy is FINALLY out of the way so you can now take your shot. It doesn't indicate any empathy for the woman or how she is currently feeling. It just seems like you want to get the show on the road and get what you want, without being considerate of what she may want or need at this time. Make sense? :diver:

drbill, from your writings here and elsewhere, I have no doubt that you are a most genuine, caring, considerate, sensitive man, so please take no offense at what I wrote, but based on how you described the situation, this is my take on it. As well, I'm sure your dive buddy realizes you're a great guy too, but her mindset may be a bit askew at the moment, and perhaps your words are being misunderstood.

:cool2: + :) + :P and all the other *good* emoticons, my friend!

:)

Annasea... give the information you had, your assessment could be a likely one. However, there are elements you are not aware of (and that I have not stated). The woman in question stated that she was emotionally and physically detached from her current BF for at least six months before this breakup. She was the one who initiated it. Although I'm sure there is some confusion on her part, I don't think it is because of any pain associated with the breakup.

She had discussed the breakup with me as early as 5 months ago, maybe more. It was more a question of when rather than IF. We had discussed a relationship between the two of us during this period as well. We both knew the timing was not right as long as she was with the now ex BF.

There are several other factors that evolved over the five years we've known each other. I think they would make my actions more understandable, they would also involve revealing things that are better kept private for her sake (not mine). Suffice it to say that Twinklez post comes very close to describing the situation, at least as I perceived it.

Given what I had written, you came to a very logical conclusion, and I certainly take no offense. Given the detachment she has shown towards her ex BF for many months, I don't think there is much pain on her side. However, all breakups do carry some indecision and disruption.

We will see how she feels once the dust has settled. However, I am commiting myself to pursuing a relationship with the woman who offers clearer communication of her intent. I am a terrible game player, and even the closest friends of my earlier dive buddy consider her (DB #1) to be one who plays games. However, I'd never felt she did so with me until recently.

And thanks Walter. Hope you will get back out here some day. I have been seeing LOTS of black sea bass with long encounters (5 to 22 min) and plenty of footage. All it took was taking my eyes off my camera viewfinder occasionally, or having a dive buddy with good eyes like my nephew.

Dr. Bill

Edited by drbill, 27 July 2005 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2005 - 12:57 AM

Annasea... give the information you had, your assessment could be a likely one. However, there are elements you are not aware of (and that I have not stated).

There are several other factors that evolved over the five years we've known each other. I think they would make my actions more understandable, they would also involve revealing things that are better kept private for her sake (not mine).

Given what I had written, you came to a very logical conclusion, and I certainly take no offense.

We will see how she feels once the dust has settled. However, I am commiting myself to pursuing a relationship with the woman who offers clearer communication of her intent. I am a terrible game player, and even the closest friends of my earlier dive buddy consider her to be one who plays games. However, I'd never felt she did so with me until recently.

(sigh of relief) Thx, drbill! :diver:

I'd hate to think that I potentially offended you in any way. (You're far too sweet and sincere!)

I hope it works out between you and your woman friend who communicates well. Clear communication is a great foundation for a future!

Good luck, my friend! (Although you don't need it -- you've got plenty going for you, Bill -- but you do deserve it!)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 01:05 AM

Thanks, Annasea. How could I take any offense at an analysis that made possible sense given the known facts?

While I am truly puzzled by the speed at which the relationship with my new dive buddy (actually DB "to be" since we have yet to dive together), it seems to be based on some definite affinities in our characters and some very good and clear communication even before we met face-to-face. She is also puzzled, but both of us feel it is something we need to pursue due to the strength of the initial responses to one another.

Likewise I was truly puzzled by the situation with DB #1 after knowing her (I thought) well for five years.

Such is the mystery!

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 02:27 AM

Thank you and your very welcome (all in one breath)!!! 


I believe I'll actually have the pleasure of meeting the The Good Doc this coming weekend.  I'm traveling to CA to visit dad and hope to dive with drbill on Sunday.  :cool2:

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:06 AM

Not to elaborate too long. DB #1 has always given indications she was interested in something physical. I won't go into them, but they were (to me at least) very obvious signs (and I usually have to be hit over the head with a club). I had been warned by some of her closest friends that she was a tease, but I never felt she was teasing me... until it came to a head.

She's still an awesome diver (one of the best I've ever dived with) and if we can re-establish our friendship, I'd still dive with her. However, my romantic interests have shifted to one who has communicated with what I believe to be far more sincerity.

Bill

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:00 AM

DrB, avoid the tease. They are not right, and like you found out.. It only continues till you force the issue. So good luck with the one who appears to have an honest intent.
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Posted 27 July 2005 - 06:08 PM

Good advice gis_girl ... I think she is going to be a much better choice!




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