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[PerroneFord]

As for a definition of "technical" versus "recreational", my point of demarcation is when you start planning the dive with something other than the recreational dive planner (or its equivalent). Diving within the limits of the RDP, that's rec diving to me. Break out the U.S. Navy manuals and/or tables, and we're getting technical now.

GUE divers have a name for people like Joe.

Regarding your comments on the "Navy Tables", have you ever seen them? I know in my cert class some years ago, they talked about the Navy tables like only some guy on a SEAL team could manage to dive them. Then I saw one. It's damn near the same as my PADI table. Five minutes here, ten minutes there, but REMARKABLY similar. Especially around 3 ATA.

Check these:

http://www.iantd.com/comparison.html

http://www.iantd.com...arts/c-3302.jpg

[WreckWench]

Sure, there are poor instructors, but they don't always turn out poor divers. There are excellent instructors who don't always turn out excellent divers. Let's not be too quick to blame the training. Some of those poor folks that we read about in the accident reports simply failed to be responsible for their own personal safety.

Excellent observation...and very astute. Statistics show that many diving accidents are actually health accidents in the water and NOT diving related. Othewise the news would be filled with how dangerous our sport is and how poorly divers are trained either by the industry as a whole or by one agency.

I think it is far more a matter of personal responsibility than it is anything else. But hey...there are many who think my first instructor should have never passed me...ever.

[jholley309]

GUE divers have a name for people like Joe.

Yeah, I have several names for him now, too, but I didn't think they were appropriate here!

Cheers!

Jim

[VADiver]

When it comes down to it remember rule number one...Never dive with an unsafe diver. You can usually tell who this person is before you even enter the water. As someone once said,

...If someone standing on dry land tells you they're good diving deep on air, give them a wide berth. If they're that stupid at 1 ATA, you know they won't get any smarter at depth. GI3

[PerroneFord]

One of my favorite of his quotes.. but there are SO many!

[VADiver]

I really wish someone would compile a list of them just for fun. Are you on the gavinscooter yahoo list? there are someinteresting personalites there too.

Oh, are you going to the GUE conference in November?

[TraceMalin]

One of my favorite quotes is from a guy, we'll call him, George, talking with another guy who we will call John Orlowski.

George: You old guys really need to learn to dive! Us younger guys can decompress faster.

John Orlowski: What are those red splotches you have on your skin there?

George: Oh? These? I don't know. This happens to me all the time.

John Orlowski: They're called skin bends, son. I think you still need to listen to us old guys!

Before they were stars, they were learning.

Trace

[PerroneFord]

I really wish someone would compile a list of them just for fun. Are you on the gavinscooter yahoo list? there are someinteresting personalites there too.

Oh, are you going to the GUE conference in November?

Yea, Im on the Gavin list. And yes, I'll be at the conference. Are you going too?

[PerroneFord]

One of my favorite quotes is from a guy, we'll call him, George, talking with another guy who we will call John Orlowski.

George: You old guys really need to learn to dive! Us younger guys can decompress faster.

John Orlowski: What are those red splotches you have on your skin there?

George: Oh? These? I don't know. This happens to me all the time.

John Orlowski: They're called skin bends, son. I think you still need to listen to us old guys!

Before they were stars, they were learning.

Trace

I would have been less funny if I didn't know both people you were talking about!

LOL!


...No names have been changed to protect the gulty!

[VADiver]

I hope too. I have a room reserved and all but now it's a decision to drive down with all my gear or fly down with my gear minus tanks. Does EE rent Dbl AL 80s?

I'll also be down in Ft Lauderdale in Nov to pick up (fingers crossed) my dry suit.

[PerroneFord]

You're going to be in cave country. You can get double ANYTHING (except a pony bottle). Just call EE.

Wanna split a room?

[Walter]

I disagree to some extent; while there are certainly inadequate instructors, it's not always the instructor's fault that someone turns out to be a horrible-death-waiting-to-happen sort of diver.

I said, "usually."

As for a definition of "technical" versus "recreational", my point of demarcation is when you start planning the dive with something other than the recreational dive planner (or its equivalent). Diving within the limits of the RDP, that's rec diving to me. Break out the U.S. Navy manuals and/or tables, and we're getting technical now.

I learned to dive with the US Navy tables and don't trust the RDP, it's too liberal for my taste.

It's damn near the same as my PADI table. Five minutes here, ten minutes there, but REMARKABLY similar.

Look again. This time compare multiple dives. They are not all that similar.

[PerroneFord]

Look again. This time compare multiple dives. They are not all that similar.

I looked at Repetitive Dives. Yes they are different.

[normblitch]

::Swoon::

Now, if you'd only be willing to dive under 200 feet of cold deep black water because it's fun... 

Trace

NO WAY HOSER!! I saw her FIRST! She was talking to ME!

Move OVER Rovers, the Old Dog has hobbled up and Moved IN....



Norm

[normblitch]

As for a definition of "technical" versus "recreational", my point of demarcation is when you start planning the dive with something other than the recreational dive planner (or its equivalent).  Diving within the limits of the RDP, that's rec diving to me.  Break out the U.S. Navy manuals and/or tables, and we're getting technical now.

GUE divers have a name for people like Joe.

Regarding your comments on the "Navy Tables", have you ever seen them? I know in my cert class some years ago, they talked about the Navy tables like only some guy on a SEAL team could manage to dive them. Then I saw one. It's damn near the same as my PADI table. Five minutes here, ten minutes there, but REMARKABLY similar. Especially around 3 ATA.

Check these:

http://www.iantd.com/comparison.html

http://www.iantd.com...arts/c-3302.jpg

FWIW, until the "DSAT RDP", the Navy tables WERE the Rec tables...we noodled with them by adding Time and/or Depth for things like Cold, Exertion,Smoker,Mature Diver etc...

Norm