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[WreckWench]

Why the hate, Nicolle? We don't make fun of what's in your bladder!

Jexy...you are one sick puppy!!!

But hey...that's why we love you!

[Dive_Girl]

Why the hate, Nicolle?  We don't make fun of what's in your bladder!

great there goes the liquids and the computer screen!! and can you believe I didn't see that one coming???

[TraceMalin]

Why the hate, Nicolle?  We don't make fun of what's in your bladder!

great there goes the liquids and the computer screen!! and can you believe I didn't see that one coming???

Coming? Isn't that how people often get gross things in their bladders?

Trace

Edited by TraceMalin, 10 November 2005 - 06:29 PM.

[Dive_Girl]

I'm poking my mind's eye out right now...

[TraceMalin]

I'm poking my mind's eye out right now...

This thread is now closed for the safety of Nicolle's health. Maybe we need to do a charity dive to help our mentally cycloptic friend "scope" out safer interneting?

Trace

[WreckWench]

Why the hate, Nicolle?  We don't make fun of what's in your bladder!

great there goes the liquids and the computer screen!! and can you believe I didn't see that one coming???

Coming? Isn't that how people often get gross things in their bladders?

Trace

Trace you are as bad as Jexy...

[normblitch]

Sheck and Mary Ellen taught that back in the Days of Yore, although NOT the way as now, ie as a last resort 2nd stage (note to self: need to Drill this protocol)..we were taught to rebreath the BC if OOA and still in Overhead...now before I get stomped on, yeah, I KNOW there is fungus amongus most likely there in the Bladder...if you would REALLY rather die UW than risk a lung infection, then can you willl me your gear??

dive_addict was doing this drill in the pool last weekend to gross me out! I made him stop - thinking about all the gross stuff that's in those bladders!!! blech!

One COULD rinse the bladder with Cranberry Juice, I suppose...

Norm

(sorry, Ladies, I just HAD TOO!)

[jextract]

I'm poking my mind's eye out right now...

"Chasing a trail of smoke and reason. Prying open my third eye."

Mandy, where are you?!?

[annasea]

I thought of something today as I was continuing my seemingly never-ending research into BP/Ws. In the BP/W world, the amount of lift a wing provides is of great importance. Why is this not considered in the vest-style BC world? Isn't there a limit as to how much weight a vest can carry? The impression I get from my readings is that people buy vests purely based on comfort, features, affordability and fit, but with BP/Ws, there's a strong emphasis on wing lift, regardless of whether the diver is doing *tech* dives (using doubles perhaps) or purely rec dives such as myself. Why the difference?

[ScubaDadMiami]

Because almost anyone diving a jacket style these days (there are still exceptions) are diving single tanks, typically a single 80. There are a lot more people in wings that at some point or other go to steel tanks (and double steels) that are more negative and require more lift. Add onto that other tech gear, and it is more of a consideration.

This is just a generalization.

[JimG]

The reason why you don't hear too much about lift on a traditional jacket style is that you don't really have any control over that. The amount of lift is typically a function of the size of the BC (with larger sizes providing more lift). With BP/W, you can adjust the amount of lift independent of the size of the harness. This is (IMO) one of the chief advantages of BP/W over jacket style. You can literally customize the entire rig to your personal requirements, even on a dive-by-dive basis if you want to.

-JimG

[WreckWench]

This is (IMO) one of the chief advantages of BP/W over jacket style. You can literally customize the entire rig to your personal requirements, even on a dive-by-dive basis if you want to.

-JimG

Its true. I have a 20# wing that I use for single 80's and a 30# wing for steel 90's and above including double 65's. When I dive double steel 95's I need a larger wing.

The wing in the DSS design pops on and off quite easily. Others require a simple screw and nut to change out.

The wings don't weigh much so on some trips I've brought them both. Why bother? Well I like the smaller wing and want to use it whenever possible. Having a wing that is too big for your needs means you can risk trapping excess air in it and thereby impact your bouyancy.

(When you dove the bp&w in Florida you were using a 20# wing and the issues you had with getting rid of the air were due mostly to the back inflate nature of a wing. You do need to roll a bit to the side and/or back to release the air. Jacket style allow you to release air from a more horizontal position. Wings require a bit more of a vertical position.

[PerroneFord]

(When you dove the bp&w in Florida you were using a 20# wing and the issues you had with getting rid of the air were due mostly to the back inflate nature of a wing. You do need to roll a bit to the side and/or back to release the air. Jacket style allow you to release air from a more horizontal position. Wings require a bit more of a vertical position.

This runs contrary to my experience. But I guess it depends on how you are trying to vent the wing.

[WreckWench]

(When you dove the bp&w in Florida you were using a 20# wing and the issues you had with getting rid of the air were due mostly to the back inflate nature of a wing. You do need to roll a bit to the side and/or back to release the air. Jacket style allow you to release air from a more horizontal position. Wings require a bit more of a vertical position.

This runs contrary to my experience. But I guess it depends on how you are trying to vent the wing.

Hey please share your experiences? We can all learn. She was however using a single alum 80 and not dubs. I find venting dubs to be slightly different myself. My guess is because the doubles are heavy and I need to leave a certain amount of air in the wing at all times...I am rarely venting all the air out and more fine tuning.

When diving a single tank I tend to vent all the air out and need to position myself more to do so.

[annasea]

(When you dove the bp&w in Florida you were using a 20# wing and the issues you had with getting rid of the air were due mostly to the back inflate nature of a wing. You do need to roll a bit to the side and/or back to release the air. Jacket style allow you to release air from a more horizontal position. Wings require a bit more of a vertical position.

I spoke with an *expert* on the DSS system yesterday and he was quite surprised I was having trouble with the LCD wing. From what I remember of the conversation, Tobin thought that the reason I was having so much trouble was because the hose was clamped down too tightly with the velcro strap (being in an 'S' position) and therefore I couldn't lift it high enough to vent the air.

Even when vertical (and the guide we were diving with had me vertical), there was still trouble. I couldn't see what was going on obviously since the hose was coming from behind me, but I'm reckoning because the hose was velcroed too tightly, it was pressing down on the wing even in a vertical position, therefore breaking/limiting the outflow of air. Especially from the left side of the wing, as I recall.

Interestingly, when I asked about the Torus (donut) over the LCD (horseshoe), the LCD was still the recommended wing for me. Something about single tank donuts being there to fill the demand. Although apparently, there's no *real* need for them.

Despite my initial *challenges*, I'm still getting a BP/W.