Going to the Dark Side
#1
Posted 29 November 2005 - 11:57 PM
Though every unit has something that I like over others, in the end, I decided to go with the Dive Rite O2ptima for my purchase. Here are my reasons. They might not be right for you, but they seem to make the best sense for me. You're not going to rain on my parade, are you?
There were several things that I like about the design. I actually like the Extend Air cartridges. I think that they will give a consistent performance when compared to potential variations in scubber pellets, settling and packing issues. I also like the idea that they produce no dust and can easily be changed on a boat.
I am okay with paying extra while the cost to fabricate the cartridges comes down. I am pretty confident that the duration testing will give me sufficient bottom time when newer tests are published. If I am limited to only three hours or so on a dive, I can live with that compared to the 20 minutes I am averaging on my deeper dives now using open circuit.
I really like the horizontal canister mounting. The hoses route really well from this, and I think that they present less of an entanglement hazard in wreck diving. I also think that this contributes to the overall low Work of Breathing.
I actually like the cover (though you might not). Rather than being the hard plastic which can look pretty bad after a few dives, the O2ptima cover is thin, soft and durable. After spending this kind of money, it would be nice to have something that will keep looking good for a long time. I think the O2ptima cover also does a great job of protecting the hoses, and it seems to contribute to the unit being streamlined in the water. (It may be psychology; I am no hydrodynamic expert! )
I think that the computers are well made though they are on the larger side. Most rebreather computers seem on the larger side anyway. On my wish list: I hope that they will move towards RGBM and/or VPM (I have been using V-Planner for over two years). I still like the VR3 as my top choice.
I think that the unit handles flooding well. You can fly it automatically or manually, and you can connect offboard gas to it. I have had excellent service from Dive Rite over the years, and I like the idea of staying with a major player in the overall dive industry.
Not everything is perfect. For example, I am not thrilled about using an Air II for reverting to open circuit though I can always resort to a bailout bottle (and even connect that to the unit using a standard low pressure quick disconnect fitting on the loop ). I hope that they come out with an open circuit valve on the mouthpiece as I have seen on other units like the KISS. I am guessing that this will be coming down the line.
Anyway, I have paid for my unit, and delivery is expected within a few weeks. I hope to start training in January. I will give a full report on the unit when I get started (and know a little about what I am doing ). I am psyched!
"For the diligent diver, closed circuit rebreathers are actually safer than open circuit scuba." Tom Mount
#2
Posted 30 November 2005 - 01:04 AM
The guy I've been diving with uses a KISS most often so I got a crash course, in that thing. He's getting time on his Ourbouros now, and I have yet to see him in the Meg. These units are fascinating, but open circuit makes me happy for now.
#3
Posted 30 November 2005 - 07:33 AM
By all that is wet, I do hereby swear, (politely), and attest, upon pain of never diving again, (real or imagined), that I understand and affirm, that I agree to the above.
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#4
Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:15 AM
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#5
Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:44 AM
I am leaving open circuit diving
May I have your tanks?
Trace
Technical Training Director
PDIC International
#6
Posted 30 November 2005 - 09:00 AM
I am leaving open circuit diving
May I have your tanks?
Trace
No way hoser! I'm closer and need them WAAAY more than you do!
#7
Posted 30 November 2005 - 09:06 AM
I am leaving open circuit diving
May I have your tanks?
Trace
No way hoser! I'm closer and need them WAAAY more than you do!
Ha! But I'll see him this weekend working the Florida Dive Show....looks like scuba gear is on the Christmas list.....NOW!!!
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#8
Posted 30 November 2005 - 09:08 AM
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Trace
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#9
Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:11 AM
I am leaving open circuit diving
May I have your tanks?
Trace
Actually, that was my first thought too. Then I remembered that I will be going that direction in a few more years (or possibly sooner) and won't be buying anymore heavy doubles like my other tech buddies have done. My next set of double tanks with be a lot smaller than I am currently diving.
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#10
Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:02 AM
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#11
Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:58 AM
Why do people say they are going to the 'dark side' of something? Is rebreather diving sinister? Or does the dark nature come from defying the laws of physics in diving as we as open circuit divers know them?
Many divers still don't trust rebreathers. They operate on the theory that OC is safer on the basis that all of the gas that you are breathing is of a known mix as you analyzed it prior to the dive. A unit like the Inspiration or the Optima actually mixes the gas to a constant PO2 which leaves the unit able to give you a "hot" mix at depth. The other fear involves a "caustic cocktail" which means a flooding of the scrubber unit and a way that you actually wind up breathing the chemicals that you are using in the scrubber. In short, I have heard the arguement to dissaude me being that the rebreather is constantly trying to kill you at depth or is basically "fly-by-wire". This is somewhat true.
But on a rebreather, you have different options for bail-out. You can breathe the diluent straight. Above 20 ft., you can breathe straight from the O2 bottle. You can breathe off of an OC bail-out bottle that you take down with you for that purpose. There are different ways to accomplish the first two options as well.
To many people in the diving community, the rebreathers will never be quite trusted as they don't have the control over the dive that they do in OC. I respect that opinion. I simply don't quite agree with it.
#12
Posted 30 November 2005 - 12:05 PM
Good luck, let me know how it works out.
#13
Posted 30 November 2005 - 12:15 PM
I'd go that way too, except I can't afford the $20 to refill the scrubber every dive.
Good luck, let me know how it works out.
Heck, I spend better than that to refill my doubles at the end of every dive. An air top-off for doubles is typically $15.00 to $25.00 up here and don't even ask what nitrox fills on top of buying Helium costs.
#14
Posted 30 November 2005 - 01:39 PM
Norm
I'd go that way too, except I can't afford the $20 to refill the scrubber every dive.
Good luck, let me know how it works out.
Heck, I spend better than that to refill my doubles at the end of every dive. An air top-off for doubles is typically $15.00 to $25.00 up here and don't even ask what nitrox fills on top of buying Helium costs.
#15
Posted 30 November 2005 - 02:12 PM
I'd go that way too, except I can't afford the $20 to refill the scrubber every dive.
You don't have to change the scubber every dive unless you let the unit sit more than 24 hours between dives. You otherwise change it based on how many hours you have used it. On my my unit, the official rating is for about three hours. However, as real world testing comes out, it will likely come to double or more than that.
On the other hand, it can easily cost $80 to $100 to fill a set of double 120s with Trimix, which will last about 20 to 30 minutes on a deeper dive. (This does not include the perhaps $15 or more for filling the deco bottles, which you can at least partially eliminate for the rebreather since it gives you a "best mix" throughout the dive based on how you have set it to fly). That cost drops to less than $10 for a Trimix fill on the rebreather (mine uses 27 cubic foot tanks), and that will last perhaps eight HOURS for my dives. Even using two cartridges, that is still only about $50, and that is probably enough to last for a weekend live aboard dive trip.
I am actually SAVING money. At least, that's how I am justifying this whole thing to myself.
Oh, and yes, the tanks will going on sale along with some regulators and stuff. I just need to get myself situated with everything once the unit comes in and I start my training. I am just trying to decide if I should keep the tanks to use to drive gas for a Baby Booster or something. I'll know about that stuff shortly. Early bribes are always welcome to give you a leg up on the competition.
Edited by ScubaDadMiami, 30 November 2005 - 02:18 PM.
"For the diligent diver, closed circuit rebreathers are actually safer than open circuit scuba." Tom Mount
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