54 replies to this topic

[ncdiver43]

whats the big deal?.. Iam still LMAO....

[dennis mccarty]

Ive heard this before but I think it was a marine that hit him, Anyway Im simple , must have been a Peter Moment, like peter did to the soldiers ear to protect Christ. I got it.
Thanks scubacuttie and happy hollidays.

[Hipshot]

As long as we're using quotes:

I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.

Georges Duhamel (1884 - 1966)

When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, "Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?"

Quentin Crisp

Perhaps you'll like this one...

"Queequeg no care what god made him shark, wedder Fejee god or Nantucket god; but de god wat made shark must be one dam Ingin."--Queequeg in Moby Dick

Rick

[dennis mccarty]

Im lauging still on that one Rick, Thanks
dennis

[BradfordNC]

To perhaps teach them something before some self-righteous neanderthal sucker punched him?

i'll start with the so called "sucker punch"

from what i read, the guy walked up to the Prof and slugged him. he didn't sneak up from behind or use any other ruse.
that the one punch knocked him cold is due to either the SEALs strength or the Prof's weakness, or a combination of the two.
but it would hardly classify as a "sucker punch"



but thats not the reason for this reply.

interesting that you call the SEAL a neanderthal.

what were you calling the people serving our country on 9/11???

[ScubaHawk]

To perhaps teach them something before some self-righteous neanderthal sucker punched him?

i'll start with the so called "sucker punch"

from what i read, the guy walked up to the Prof and slugged him. he didn't sneak up from behind or use any other ruse.
that the one punch knocked him cold is due to either the SEALs strength or the Prof's weakness, or a combination of the two.
but it would hardly classify as a "sucker punch"



but thats not the reason for this reply.

interesting that you call the SEAL a neanderthal.

what were you calling the people serving our country on 9/11???

What the %#$@ does any of this have to do with 9/11 ?!? If the people serving our country were sucker punching innocent people just because they disagreed with their opinion, I would call then Neanderthals, or worse.Yes, I use the expression "sucker punch" since nowhere in the "joke" does it mention that the professor saw the SEAL, the attack, or the punch. His only awareness of it comes after he wakes up, even if he saw the SEAL walk right up to him - I bet he wasn't expecting to get assualted.
The "What about 9/11" defense is getting very old. By referring to the people serving our country ON 9/11 as opposed to the wars afterward, are you trying to tie in the firefighters and other rescue workers? That argument is BS. I'm sure Fairybasslet would agree with me that the men and women putting their lives on the line for our country deserve every ounce of respect and support, that doesn't mean they can disregard the rights of their fellow countrymen.

Benjamin Franklin:. They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

Trying to imply that someone who disagrees with the action of one SEAL acting illegal is somehow against all the "people serving our country" on 9/11 or any other date is a chicken-s&#% argument. I disagree with the acts committed at Abu Ghraib (and all torture in general) I think the people that authorized it and carried out the torture are lower that scum! Are you going to ask what I called all the heros that died in WWII, there is just as much of a connection.

Of course I could be reading you statement the wrong way

interesting that you call the SEAL a neanderthal.

what were you calling the people serving our country on 9/11???

Maybe you are implying that all the people serving our country on 9/11 were just as bad as the SEAL and should all be called Neanderthals? I disagree with that just a vehemently.

Edited by ScubaHawk, 28 December 2005 - 10:58 AM.

[sniperdiver]

I loved the joke! Being prior military, and a Police officer I am sick of having to watch what I say so I don't offend one group or another. This politicially correct B.S. has gone way over the line. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck....... You get the Idea.

This has inspired my New Years Resolution: Call em like I see em, and to heck with feelings!!

[AliKat]

Yes, I use the expression "sucker punch" since nowhere in the "joke" does it mention that the professor saw the SEAL, the attack, or the punch. His only awareness of it comes after he wakes up, even if he saw the SEAL walk right up to him - I bet he wasn't expecting to get assualted.

Well, if the professor had seen the SEAL coming, then the guy really wasn't a very good SEAL

Oh, and this is a joke.

Edited by AliKat, 28 December 2005 - 07:36 PM.

[TraceMalin]

Regarding this post: Read it for humor and enlightenment.

Regarding the joke: It was a joke.

Regarding people in our military: The United States military has incredibly honorable people and people who we can't repay enough for their sacrifices and whose acts of selflessness really are the stories of legends and epic heroism. Others in our military have committed heinous criminal acts both moral and legal and have brought dishonor to our nation and those who have worn the uniforms of the various branches. Why? Because people in uniforms are just people. No matter where you go in the world people are the same. There are good people, evil people and everything in between. You'll find rapists wearing US military uniforms and you'll find rapists wearing uniforms of other nations. You'll also find just and merciful people with codes of chivalry and honor, ethics and humanity in every nation in civilian attire and in uniform.

Regarding SEALs: I know many guys who have previously served in various special ops forces. Some of these guys you would never guess were even in the military while others are still gung ho. Some of these guys are the life of the party while others are such @$$holes that I'm surprised they didn't get fragged back in Cub Scouts. The biggest @$$hole I know was a SEAL. His mission during the Vietnam War, according to him, was to keep the drug routes flowing for corrupt officials in certain US friendly SE Asian countries so that we could keep things like air bases in operation. Also, the best of these acquaintances was also a SEAL so training, branch and country can't make you a great person and these things will also not make you an @$$hole. And, it's only my opinion that the aforementioned @$$hole is an @$$hole. I'm sure others would disagree with me. Whether the part about the drug routes is true or not, we do know that our government's foreign policies have been shown to be an embarrassment at times and more than noble at others. Why? Because people are making these decisions. People again are good, evil and everything in between.

Some politicians and politicos care more about themselves, their party or their own special interest groups than about the average citizen, while others care deeply about the citizens and do their very best to make wise decisions in the best interest of the American people and the peoples of the world. One sad thing about war is that you often will find that noble men and women who believe in their government or cause on both sides of any conflict do so with a conviction that they are on the "right" side, so since I believe that the majority of people in the world lean toward good most of the time, what you end up with in war is good people being commended for killing other good people. When it comes down to it, duty, honor, country, politics, God, etc. are things to think about for those prone to philosophy when pieces of metal aren't flying through the air at high speed. So, you can create a war between two nations and get two guys killing each other who otherwise might be great friends. I had a great dive buddy from Japan last year. If it were 1944 rather than 2004, Eichi and I would be enemies rather than friends, and maybe trying to kill each other on some island rather than exploring reefs together. If I killed him during the battle for Tarawa or something, and if doing so placed me at a risk above and beyond the call, I might get a medal for killing a guy whose purpose in life is to save puppy dogs as a veternarian. But, if I were to go and hunt down a rapist and kill him to prevent his acts from ruining any womens' lives, I'd be jailed or executed. It's the way of the world because people are good, evil and everything in between.

It's just far simpler to group people than to see them as individuals. There are people out there who hate Americans. Gee, if you want to hate me for something, hate me because I'm an @$$hole, but not because I'm an American. I can't stop a foreign policy that I disagree with any more than I could have stopped my former governor, Tom Ridge, from Ok-ing that silly color coded terror alert system. For the record, if you're a Jihadist, I believe in the same God you do, but I'm really concerned with the coral reefs in the Middle East and how development and oil production might affect them. If you feel we are invading your homeland, I feel the same way about those Americans from NY & NJ who move to my state, tear down the forests and want to build more malls and Italian restaurants because we don't have great food here like they do in Manhattan. By the way, if you are a jihadist, you probably would like a group of people here called the KKK. But, I don't think every KKK member and every Al Quaeda member would agree with the actions of their own terrorist group either. The KKK is classified as a terrorist group by the way. Speaking of terrorism, Scranton, PA has several Irish organizations that reportedly had been raising funds for the Irish Republican Army back in the day. Since we obviously are supporting terrorism in America, I'm ready for Tony Blair to send a few British Para regiments and the SAS to northeastern PA to stamp out these groups. When those soldiers get here, I bet some will be really cool while others will be @$$holes and should have been fragged back in Beaver Scouts. Again, people are people -- good, evil and everything in between.

Regarding the professor: I attended a private Catholic college as a Protestant, both as the result of the Protestant Reformation led by Martin Luther, and as a result of protesting many of the building projects on campus such as placing an art building on my beloved lacrosse practice field. Most of my male professors who weren't priests served in the military in Vietnam. If a SEAL popped a professor at my campus, he probably would have been attacking a nun, a man of the cloth, the former NFL (Pitt Steeler) player or a Vietnam vet. Chances are he would have had his @$$ kicked because my profs had been "up to their knees in rice paddies, with guns that didn't work! Going in there, looking for Charlie, slugging it out with him..." (Professor Turgeson -- "Back to School")

Regarding Christians: They are people just like Muslims, soldiers of any country, the KKK, Al Quaeda and I've never met two Christians who agreed on any point other than Jesus as the Messiah. Christians are taught many things. Some Christians and Christian groups believe that the Bible is the word of God, (just as my lacrosse rule book was the word of the NCAA) and everything in it is true, while others believe that the fundamental truths of God's revelation as the creator is found as elements within a peoples' cultural way of writing, to record past oral traditions and the written beginnings of a new Messianic movement within a Judaistic community. Christians are good, evil and everything in between. Jews are good, evil and everything in between. Muslims are good, evil and everything in between.

Regarding acts of violence: It was the topic on Nightline tonight. With the release of the film "Munich" questions are raised about the increase in bloodshed that has followed in the wake of the terror killings of the Israeli Olympic team members and the Israeli policy which was to assassinate known terror group members to send a message that Israel would not bargain with terrorists nor allow acts of terrorism to go unpunished. Nightline was probing the possibilities of what the long term consequences might be for how we've handled the 9/11 terrorist attacks and aftermath.

Regarding patriotism: All I know is that I want our troops to come home alive and soon. But, if pulling out of Iraq tomorrow would mean that one honorable soldier or decent civilian would have died in vain without doing all that was needed to try to finish the job successfully, then that would be like betraying them. I don't care what our politicians say. I don't care what our media shapes their stories to portray. I care about the general consensus of our combat troops. If they think they are making a difference and need to remain to do a job then so be it. If they think they need to come home, let's get them home. But, this new "war on terror" is only new for us. Terrorism has been around since a larger group posed a threat or seemingly posed a threat to a smaller band. It won't be defeated. The names and the players will change as will the weapons, targets and motives. I'm thinking about entering the Navy Reserve, but I'm hesitant for many reasons all of which involve my personal sanity rather than my personal safety. While I'm not too old for that @!&% according to the USNR, I may be too old for that @!&% as an old fart set in my ways. I'd welcome input from those with current or prior service.

Regarding people: Sartre said, "Hell is other people." The internet often supports that statement. Yet, here we all are posting to this thread. How pathetic is that? Can't we all just get along?

Trace

Edited by TraceMalin, 29 December 2005 - 03:14 AM.

[WreckWench]

After receiving a number of concerns that this topic has served its usefulness in asking all who have read it to see beyond the written word, or a simple joke, but to see thru the eyes of our fellow scubadivers a different perspective of the same event, I think it has accomplished this task and therefore been successful in serving that purpose. Whether it was intended to be such an exercise or not is not relevant. It has and it has been enlightening.

Trace's post is a nice summary...we are all people...good, bad, and in between. However we transcend the boundaries of religion, politics and other beliefs when we come together as divers to enjoy the majesty of the underwater world and the bonds of friendship that come from experiencing such life bonding/defying moments together.

The friendships made while doing something so many of us find so passionate are priceless. And SD encourages that these friendships not only continue but that they mobilize to help save, protect and honor our lands, waters and our children.

By working together as a very diverse group of peoples from all over the world, we transcend the traditional shackles of the topics touched upon in this thread.

And on that note, I also agree that this topic has served its purpose and run its course. So in a rare move, we will close this topic just as we are closing the old year. Thank you for your participation and we now resume our regularily scheduled programming! - Kamala

p.s. and for the active duty personnel tasked with protecting our freedoms...all of them...may you be held safe in the protection of our respect, love and admiration for your sacrafices and for your willingness to do the job at hand and of course for doing it so well. I am extremely grateful for your sacrafices and for the risks and harms you endure to allow me and others to have the rights, freedoms and protection that we have.

We can never thank you enough...but we WILL keep trying!!!