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#16 DandyDon

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 01:40 PM

Hey Doc!

You're picking some good topcis here. Makes a guy want to tune in everyday, even with the risks around here.

It's not so much how deep you go, but how fast you asend, if I understand this area correctly. A diver is going to absorb some extra N2 at any depth, and more at greater depths, but - the solution from any recreational depth is to offgass the disolved gas slowly enough to not form bubbles in the blood.


I ascent at 1 foot every 2 seconds to 50 feet where I stop for 1 minute. I then continue at the same rate to 40 feet where I stop for 1 minute. I then ascend more slowly, 1 foot every 3 seconds, to 30 feet where I stop for 3 minutes. I then ascend at the same rate to 15 feet where I stop for 5 or more minutes.


Wow - that's impressive. Sounds excessive to me, but maybe I should consider it more. From what I've seen of Walter, he's probably seriously doing it, not just talking it.


You are absolutely correct.  Most divers pop immediately to the surface from their 15 ft safety stop.  It should be a time to slow the ascent.  A slow acscent from 15 ft requires better buoyancy control which may be part of the problem.


Horrible practice!! There's a greater relative change in pressure in the top 15 feet than any other 15 foot segment of the water column.


1 ft/2 seconds to 50.  Stop for one minute then ascend to 20' (same ascent rate) for one more minute.  Then 3 min at 10'.


Not as careful as the more extrmeme example above above, but this plan is more likely to be followed by someone looking here to learn. Still very conservative, as well as worth the time & effort.

What I do is not quite so conservative, but somewhat similar: 1ft/sec to 60 ft, 1 ft/2 sec above 60 - with a 1 minute stop at 1/2 max, or 50 feet in this study, then a 1 minute stop at 1/4 max, or 25 feet here, then easing up to 10 ft over the next 3-5 minutes. Air consumption is so much slower in the shallows, so why not?

My preferred ascent rate is easy to do on a mooring line, but more challenging on a free ascent. This is the same ascent rate required of my newest computer, so if I can keep it quiet, it's accomplished, albeit a rare occurance for me.


I have also noticed that once someone earns a manditory deco obligation of say 1-3 minutes that they typically clear that manditory deco obligation but then fail to add the extra safety margin of another 3-5 minutes which they would have done or should have done had they stayed within no decompression limits.


Boy - Not Me!! My computers are no more conservative than PADI tables, even though a little different, so when they require anything, I give them that much plus some, always. If either of them demands 3 minutes, I give them at least that much plus the 3 minutes I'd give them if they demanded nothing.



BTW: "Lassie" was played by many different dogs over the years, with a few different ones used on each segment for different behaviors, but - they were all played by males. The Freudian suggestions of a boy and his female dog were the marketing theme, but the females were too difficult to work with.
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Posted 14 April 2004 - 01:45 PM

Depends on your definition.

I frequently dive Venice Beach seaching for fossils in low viz water. Usually my max depth is 17 feet or less. On those dives, I either don't make a safety stop of my entire dive is a safety stop. You pick it. At the end of the dive, I usually swim toward shore until my head breaks the surface, so my ascents are very slow and gradual.
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#18 Walter

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 01:57 PM

Don,

Yes, it is excessive. That's the reason I designed it that way, to be excessive. When I was young, we never heard of safety stops. Decompression diving was a regular part of my dive plan and computers were pure imagination. As I aged, I recognized I'm more likely to get bent from those practices than in my youth. I dive very conservatively and am likely to get more conservative as time passes.

If I'm not mistaken, the first Lassie was female, but they opted to replace her with males because of coat quality issues when a female is in heat. They wanted lassie to always look "her" best. I don't think it was because of any difficulty in working with a female.

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:06 PM

Don,

What "risks"....that someone might crack a joke?

Lighten up dude, you are taking this all WAY too personally! :dltears:

Edited by Laura, 14 April 2004 - 02:12 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:12 PM

I frequently dive Venice Beach seaching for fossils in low viz water.

Walter,

Do you happen to know Ken Davis and/or Steve Thacker? They run dives out of venice. Ken is a friend of mine from waaaay back....he used to be in the same dive club I am....until he moved South, that is

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:13 PM

or risks that someone might make a rude comment like above!!! Lets be adults people!! Please! Or we'll make Lassie come lick you!!! And it won't be a nice place either!

Edited by hnladue, 14 April 2004 - 02:14 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:14 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the first Lassie was female, but they opted to replace her with males because of coat quality issues when a female is in heat.

So in other words, Lassie got canned because she was horny and had a bad hair day?????
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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:15 PM

or risks that someone might make a rude comment like above!!!

I apologize. :-D

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:19 PM

Thanks girl!!! Keep the love!!! :-D
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Posted 14 April 2004 - 02:35 PM

Thanks girl!!! Keep the love!!! :-D

it's all good...

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#26 Walter

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 04:07 PM

So in other words, Lassie got canned because she was horny and had a bad hair day?????


Not exactly. This is all from memory and it was quite literally decades ago, the first Lassie was female. The show had a rather long run, using up two kids and a grown man, so they had to replace Lassie to allow a well deserved retirement. When the first Lassie retired, she was replaced by a male.
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Posted 14 April 2004 - 04:14 PM

Don, so the only risks 'round these parts is me so right now you are safe! Or as my momma says...don't cry wolf unless you really see one! :teeth: (See what big teeth I can have???)

Laura....you are too funny girl....but no more teasing of Don. Otherwise I'll have to crack the whip on you...darn it where are Coppermaus's whips when I need them??? :o

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 04:41 PM

OK, it looks like Don was correct. I was wrong!

From the unofficial Lassie website:

All the dogs portraying Lassie have been male. A female collie was hired to play the lead in Lassie Come Home, but when an opportunity came to film "Lassie" negotiating some rapids, the female reportedly would have nothing to do with the rushing water. Rudd Weatherwax's collie "Pal" was substituted, and not only stole the stunt but won the role. Weatherwax continued to use male collies in the role for a good reason: both sexes shed in the summer (when most movies and television shows traditionally film most of their episodes), but since the male has a thicker coat, he wouldn't look so scrawny during filming. Also, fans tend to think of Lassie as a "big heroic dog." Female collies are usually 10-15 pounds lighter than their male counterparts, therefore a male dog playing Lassie would look more impressive. Female collies were not ignored because they are any less intelligent; in fact, some of Lassie's stunt doubles have been females.
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Posted 14 April 2004 - 04:47 PM

Yeah, there's a lot of different versions of the Lassy stories, from back when there were only three ice cream flavors! I never actually did research, though - you win!

Excpet here's one more tid bit, which could possibly be true. Most of the dogs used were actually neutered males - as they were more easily trained.

It's been so long, though; I might have made that one up...?
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#30 Walter

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 04:58 PM

Sorry Laura, I don't know either of them.
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