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DISCUSSION ONLY: NC Wreck & SharkDiving Again July 2-6, 2010


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#76 WreckWench

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 10:03 AM

I would LOVE to be included in this trip! I'm still just OW, but I'm doing well on air consumption and also at depth. Is this something I could still do?


Maybe one of the instructors would teach the AOW and Nitrox on this trip. If not one of the SD instructors then possibly the dive shop would have an instructor on staff. It would be a great place for the deep course and the wreck course as well.



Deep yes...wreck no. The most suitable dives for wreck 'training' are NOT the wrecks we want to spend enough time on for her to do the course work.

This can initially be a teaser dive...you know do it and see what all the fuss is about doing a wreck cert or several of them (as the initial wreck cert ONLY covers basics and does NOT I repeat does NOT train you to do penetration diving) and then do the class and THEN graduate to the real deal!

Cass you could do this trip given your comfort, air consumption and where with all in the water however you should have a RAB for the trip and here's why.

This is NOT A DIVEMASTER LED DIVE. You will ONLY rely on your dive buddy...not groups of divers and not a dive master. The dive master will jump in the water with the anchor and tie it off the wreck. Most divers will never see this DM in the water. If you do it will be passing you on the line as he is going up and you are going down. The other DM on the boat will untie the anchor at the end of our dives and most will not see him in the water either. Once at the bottom you will be on either an intact wreck which is easier to navigate or a scattered wreck which is not as easy to navigate. While in principal each diver should be able to navigate on their own, use a reel for low vis or scattered terrain dives, the truth is that if you have not done a lot of wreck diving you won't know these things but can easily adjust with a proper dive briefing AND STILL ENJOY THESE DIVES. (This is one of the few destinations that you can dive over and over again and each time take your diving to a new level because you are able to do more and more things.)

Therefore we will give you some of our tried and true tricks and tips for enjoying these dives before we do each of the wrecks. I will ask the crew to tie a reel for you to follow if we have low vis or are diving one of the really scattered wrecks that get confusing. Compasses don't work...the metal in the ship throws your headings off. You must use natural navigation or a reel. A reel will get tangled in all but the most scattered wrecks so is not the solution to diving most of the wrecks. We usually have a nice mix of divers who have dove NC and who are new to NC so that will help as well. We screen divers so that divers who will literally be in OVER THEIR HEADS are not on this trip. If they want to dive they can go with one of the other operators who don't screen and take 'anybody' on the boat. In those instances the dives are as good as the weakest diver. We will be many hours offshore with no land in sight. An emergency is a big ordeal and will abort the dives for everyone. There are no refunds for aborted dives due to diver incidents. It is important that everyone be capable of doing two deep dives using a static line to the bottom and returning up that line despite the possibility of current, thermoclines, sea sickness, surge, oh yeah and BIG ANIMALS! (No the big animals are not dangerous but they will cause you to suck your air down much faster than you may have previously done and this will radically change your dive profile. As a result most people will dive a 100cf tank or in some cases a bigger tank which is why those driving wanted to know if they could bring their own tanks.)

This is by far big boy diving and if ain't ready to hang with the big boys then you need to stay on the porch. There is no shame in staying on the porch until your skills are better, your natural navigation is better, your ability to be on a boat for most of the day without getting off is honed, you can get up early and be ready to leave by 6:30am which means at the boat loading at 6am, you can bring ONLY the essentials that you need and it will ALL fit under your seat the space of two 80cf tanks, you can be mature enough to go to bed early and not try to dive tired or hung over and you are ready for the biggest adventure you've ever been on...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Contact me if you have any questions on your ability to make these dives. Some of our new divers are naturals and with guidance can make these dives. I've seen people who have hundreds of dives in places like Cozumel freak out when they found out there was NO DM to follow on the dive and they could not just 'dive with the group' but they had to rely on their dive buddies and their own navigation skills to get back to the boat. THERE ARE NO FREE ASCENTS AWAY FROM THE BOAT...YOU MUST COME UP THE ANCHOR LINE. These dives are about having the 'basics' be comfortable to you...about your ability to add add'l task loading to your diving routine and still be able to enjoy yourself.

I have made hundreds of dives in NC and I love it. It has made me a better diver and it will make you a better diver. Just don't rush to take the lesson unless you are really comfortable with all the basics.

And so you know...on a good day diving NC is as easy as falling off the boat in any Caribbean Island...however there are many factors that can take a good day and make it head south. THAT is why this is considered intermediate or higher diving.

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1. ONLY booties and fins. (NO FULL FOOT FINS nor extra long freediving fins)
2. You will NOT be able to hand your gear up. You will climb up the ladder WITH FINS ON and you can either kneel like I do and the dm's will take your fins off for you or you can take them off yourself. You will then be escorted back to your seat WITH YOUR TANK ON to take a seat. (YOU MUST GO BACK TO YOUR SEAT ONLY.)
3. You will not put your fins on the boat. You will be geared up, fins in hand and you will walk to the exit area of the boat and the dm's will put your fins on for you. (You lift one leg at a time and they will put your fins on for you.)
4. You will leave your reg in your mouth and fins on until you are SAFELY up the ladder. If you are blown off the ladder you will be able to approach the ladder safely with all your gear on.
5. You will need to ascend with LOTS of air just to get back on the boat if we have waves as you will need to time the waves until they die down and you can safely ascend the ladder. This means it will take LOTS of time to get all the divers on the boat. You will not hang on a tie line on the back of the boat waiting your turn. You will be waiting it at 20 feet on the hangline which means you NEED AIR. You will watch each diver ascend and then do the same when its your turn. PLAN YOUR AIR ACCORDINGLY SO YOU CAN DO THIS. (Most people will need to ascend with a minimum of 1000 psi for these dives.)
6. You will pay EXTREME ATTENTION TO ALL DIVE BRIEFINGS as they will be RADICALLY DIFFERENT from those of most of the diving you have done before. I can do some of it for you in advance so when you hear it on the boat it is more of a reminder for you. If you do not the captain or myself has the abilitiy to sit you from diving. If you are made to sit out a dive or more...you will not be reimbursed for those lost dives.

Ok hopefully I have not scared you off...I just want people to be aware that this dive is not suited for everyone...but for those who are up for the adventure...it will be dives of a lifetime! kamala

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 10:04 AM

Ok if I have not spooked you all from signing up for this trip be looking for it in the next day or so. Its the next on the list! :)

And as always...this trip will probably fill up during the first week that we allow premier members early dibs bookings so now is the time to upgrade! :)

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:31 PM

Ok if I have not spooked you all from signing up for this trip be looking for it in the next day or so. Its the next on the list! :teeth:

And as always...this trip will probably fill up during the first week that we allow premier members early dibs bookings so now is the time to upgrade! :dance:



Cass, Don't let MOM scare you off this one !! It is VERY MUCH what she said..... But it is SOOOOOO WORTH IT. I am going , and I'm just a big kid (as you well know). I think with your capabilities if you can "man-up" (all that stuff "MOM" said) long enough to get down to the wreck , you will be infinately rewarded when you see 18 ' long - 3' around tigers or 15' wingspan southern rays cruising the area as we saw a couple years ago.

P.S.- the wrecks are great too :diver: Don't be overly pressured by my opinions though if you're not ready yet. (Disclaimer--Disclaimer)

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:57 PM

I was talking to Cass this evening, and she is going to get her AOW and include DEEP diving as one of her specialties (we're both SSI). It can only help her get onto (and be safe & enjoy) trips like this one!
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Posted 22 January 2010 - 09:28 PM

I was talking to Cass this evening, and she is going to get her AOW and include DEEP diving as one of her specialties (we're both SSI). It can only help her get onto (and be safe & enjoy) trips like this one!

I did my Deep specialty with OTWdiver in NC a couple of years ago; it's a great venue to learn why you want to know about deep diving, not to mention WRECKS!

oh and I did some of my Adv Nitrox/Deco class with him in NC too :teeth:

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Posted 22 January 2010 - 11:24 PM

ADDITIONAL INFO TO NOSH ON...

I do not want to paint an overly rosy picture about diving in this venue...but I also do not want to scare anyone either...unless you simply aren't ready. Getting your AOW and deep before this trip will make Cass even more prepared. She is fine now and I don't say that lightly. So is ScubaClint and several others who have asked if I think they are 'ready'.

Yes I am a bit protective but I think you all appreciate that. I know I don't want to know that I could have prevented something happening to someone...and you don't want to worry about it either.

On the other hand...July is the BEST month to dive NC. The water is warmed up and its too early for storms. Most of the 4th of July weekends we've had the water has been like glass and the vis OUTSTANDING.

I just need everyone to know that it can be less than perfect...but its addictive and WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION.

The sharks are AMAZING and still one of the most exciting experiences anywhere in the world diving...(and I should know.)

The wrecks represent history...OUR HISTORY and its truly outstanding to be able to dive on this segment of our history...ESPECIALLY during the 4th of July! :wakawaka:

I just don't want someone who only has a few dives under their belt whom I've never dove with to think this is a great trip for a newbie. Its not even though many newbies dive NC every year. I did...but I don't recommend it for what that's worth! ;) LOL!

Ok...got to get some rest and finish this posting up tomorrow!

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:33 AM

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I know more details are coming but I would like to ask the following. Whose the operator, and accommodations? Then since this is a rec trip would there be a problem with use of higher PP02 mixes (adv nitrox style).

Then the other question is bill going to dive this trip traditional or side mount?

Even though im still off work(another week atleast) Im starting to look at what i can do this year staying in the country and keeping a eye on the time off usage from work since this year since 2011 is going to be a major time off burn for truk, but yet still able to do other items that I would like to do (return trip to SC, DAN etc).

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 05:30 AM

ADDITIONAL INFO TO NOSH ON...

I do not want to paint an overly rosy picture about diving in this venue...but I also do not want to scare anyone either...unless you simply aren't ready. Getting your AOW and deep before this trip will make Cass even more prepared. She is fine now and I don't say that lightly. So is ScubaClint and several others who have asked if I think they are 'ready'.

Yes I am a bit protective but I think you all appreciate that. I know I don't want to know that I could have prevented something happening to someone...and you don't want to worry about it either.

On the other hand...July is the BEST month to dive NC. The water is warmed up and its too early for storms. Most of the 4th of July weekends we've had the water has been like glass and the vis OUTSTANDING.

I just need everyone to know that it can be less than perfect...but its addictive and WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION.

The sharks are AMAZING and still one of the most exciting experiences anywhere in the world diving...(and I should know.)

The wrecks represent history...OUR HISTORY and its truly outstanding to be able to dive on this segment of our history...ESPECIALLY during the 4th of July! :wakawaka:

I just don't want someone who only has a few dives under their belt whom I've never dove with to think this is a great trip for a newbie. Its not even though many newbies dive NC every year. I did...but I don't recommend it for what that's worth! :cool1: LOL!

Ok...got to get some rest and finish this posting up tomorrow!


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I think WW's comments are spot on. The conditions can be perfect. Then again they can be challenging. The large sand tigers, historic and purposely sunk wrecks are unique. It is an addictive type of diving. But the precautionary notice is warranted.

I agree with WW as I dove with Cass in Bonaire and Clint in Cozumel and both would be able to handle these dives. I am looking forward to being a part of this trip as I consider this my backyard diving. ;)

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 06:24 AM

Thank you Jerry! I'm sure that the divers in question feel more comfortable knowing we both agree on their abilities and others interested in this trip see another NC veteran give the same perspective. :wakawaka:

Ok back to work on posting the trip! ;)

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 06:40 AM

Then since this is a rec trip would there be a problem with use of higher PP02 mixes (adv nitrox style).

Then the other question is bill going to dive this trip traditional or side mount?


This will be a full boat and will be recreational only. Bill may be doing sidemount. It is my experience that 'seasoned' tech or sidemount divers blend in so well with recreational divers that operators hardly know they are on the boat. Newer tech or sidemount divers need add'l assistance, fuss too much or just take too long in managing their gear and essentially take back on 'newbie' status in that they are not comfortable with their new basics. This is not a venue to be uncomfortable with your 'basics' regardless of which level you are diving at.

Having said that...most boat capts do allow instructors to have students in good weather conditions and adapt accordingly knowing the instructor will dictate that all boat rules be followed and the needs of the recreational divers will not be abused or overshadowed.

On a similar note...double tanks can be used if you normally dive them and you wish to bring them. (A set or two may be rentable from OTWDiver since we are driving to NC.) If you opt for doubles you will need to do both of your dives off the two tanks with no option for refills.

Pony bottles or slung stage bottles can be used for redundancy but there is no way to refill them after the first dive.

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 10:17 AM

I hope you can join us too! Its shaping up to be a great trip!

Our pkg will include a shuttle from the airport but trust me if I'm one over into the second van I'll take you up on that offer! :(

Ok back to posting trips...


Regarding my Camaro Z28 convertible and my driving from Durham and picking up folks at RDU for this trip, the car will actually take three SDers plus myself driving as long as all our gear is in the van, if that helps save a couple of bucks on not having to book an extra van. Understand no one else has ever driven my car, so unless you book Danica Patrick to make the trip, that will remain the case, as long as I am sentient, anyway. :birthday:

Just a thought as you prepare to post this one for booking, especially since I understand the boat ladder will be like a Christmas tree and relatively easy to climb with fins penguin style. :)

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:16 PM

Definitely interested in this dive trip! Please put me on the list :wakawaka:

Edited by ScubaPunk, 27 January 2010 - 04:17 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 04:18 PM

Definitely interested in this dive trip! Please put me on the list :wakawaka:


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Posted 02 February 2010 - 11:43 AM

Definitely interested in this dive trip! Please put me on the list :banghead:


You got it! Welcome to SD Debs. :P



Thanks! I hope this isn't the only trip I take this year ... I am surfing the trips right now .... :o
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 08:28 PM

Keep me informed!! Very interested. Only dive the cold waters of Wisconsin so far. I would love to dive NC... Need a buddy though!!




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